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wnylib

(25,286 posts)
29. You said
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:27 AM
Oct 2019

"God has the power to 'change mens' hearts and has been given the credit for doing so."


Yes that is the standatd Christian teaching on grace and salvation by faith.

I am not so sure, as you said, that if you do not believe in an all-powerful god, you can have all the free will you want. Unless you are just using that as a contrasting statement on religion.

I wonder how many choices and decisions are due to social conditioning and pressure or even biological inheritance to some extent.

Identical twin studies show that some of our preferences seem to have biological bases.

Consider dog and cat breeds. They can be bred for behaviorsl traits as well as physical ones. Each dog or cat within a breed will have its own personality but some behaviors will be pedictable by breed.

Of course we can reason and make rational decisions. We can change our behaviors with conscious choices and efforts. We csn calculate and manipulate our environment and people. We can plan. But perhaps not all of our choices snd decisions can be made with free will.

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Free will and consciousness. [View all] Tobin S. May 2018 OP
Hard to prove zipplewrath May 2018 #1
This is the way Google defines it. Tobin S. May 2018 #2
First part maybe zipplewrath May 2018 #3
It seems to me that ruling out free will also rules out free thought which rules out reason... Tobin S. May 2018 #5
Close zipplewrath May 2018 #7
Sam Harris think it would lead to a more compassionate society. Tobin S. May 2018 #13
I have no view zipplewrath May 2018 #19
Behaviorism is a very limiting approach to understanding human behavior. Nitram May 2018 #11
The concept of free will is anathema to any belief in an all-knowing/all-powerful deity malchickiwick May 2018 #4
Indeed, if god knows everything that will happen... FiveGoodMen May 2018 #6
Five, that assumes god is a being like you or me. I assume if god exists, s/he is so complex we Nitram May 2018 #10
There are many Christian denominations that have denied an autonomous free will standingtall May 2018 #8
Do you think that hell exists? Tobin S. May 2018 #14
Yes I think hell exist and also I think if God truly loves everyone standingtall May 2018 #17
I agree that those who believe consciousness is an illusion are mistaken. Nitram May 2018 #9
I'm a trucker not a philosopher :) Tobin S. May 2018 #15
Well, Tobin, you chose one of the really big ideas to grapple with this time. Nitram May 2018 #16
I'm not sure what "consciousness is an illusion" actually means. Jim__ May 2018 #12
To me, the phrase "made in the image and likeness" guillaumeb May 2018 #18
Please alway be clear about which Lutherans you are referring to. efhmc Jul 2018 #20
We are engaging freely on this topic. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21
Fee will and consciousness standhero Jan 2019 #22
Putting your "first offering" in a thread from last May is rzemanfl Jan 2019 #23
Lao Tzu being Confucius' teacher is quite a trick too, since Lao died about 20 years before. FSogol Jan 2019 #24
Although this is an old thread the topic wnylib Oct 2019 #25
What difference does it make?The sun will come up on Monday and the rode to work will be full wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #26
You are right IMO regarding people wnylib Oct 2019 #28
We do not have free will. We only have allowed will. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #27
You said wnylib Oct 2019 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #30
You must mean Missouri Synod Lutherans. efhmc Feb 2020 #31
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