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Gun Control & RKBA

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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:32 PM Jul 2016

How are they so clueless? "The One Question I Want All Gun Nuts to Answer" [View all]

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/one-question-want-gun-nuts-answer/

"But seeing that we have around 300 million already here in the United States, and gun violence tends to increase as the number of guns in the country goes up, it’s just a question I’d like these people to answer."

So, my question to gun nuts is simple, “How many guns is enough to keep us safe?”



How does ANYONE answer a question which is based on a premise that is totally false, and has been for 20+ years??


https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

Per the FBI background checks, the number of guns has been steadily climbing since at least 1999, while gun violence has been steadily decreasing since the 90s {I'd wager there are more like 400 million+ guns - its been "300 million" for WAY too long when there are now 20 million+ background checks per year!!}:

"Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat. From 2009 to 2014, the most recent year data are available, the number of gun homicides has hovered around 11,000 and 12,000 per year"
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"The rate of nonfatal gun victimizations declined in a similar way to the gun death rate, with a large drop in the 1990s – 63% between 1993 and 2000. The decline since then has been more uneven. In 2014, there were 174.8 nonfatal violent gun victimizations per 100,000 people ages 12 and older."
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"while the gun suicide rate has declined overall since 1993, in recent years it has risen, from 6.3 per 100,000 people in 2010 to 6.7 in 2014."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/



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From what I can see it's axiomatic: FEELINGS > facts jonno99 Jul 2016 #1
Here is a snapshot of gun associated shootings. angstlessk Jul 2016 #2
If we REALLY care about seeing less death & injury, it seems we should be addressing the BIGGER jonno99 Jul 2016 #3
besides being a non sequitur, it's a biased source. angstlessk Jul 2016 #5
Please don't "miss the forest for the trees": jonno99 Jul 2016 #6
I don't see gun deaths, just suicide, homicide and accidental deaths angstlessk Jul 2016 #10
Here's a link to the CDC's WISQARS apps discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #16
Unfortunately they only go back a couple years. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #4
Huh maybe they AREN'T clueless - they just change the argument! jmg257 Jul 2016 #7
Mudmatters through grinding teeth has to admit the data isn't all NRAtalkingPoint!© Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #9
I think controllers have given up on science and good argument. It is... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #8
technically you should only need 5 SD firearms per person. ileus Jul 2016 #11
So they think our President is lying? DonP Jul 2016 #12
Maybe they put more stock in Hemenway then the President. jmg257 Jul 2016 #13
If we weren't all banned .... DonP Jul 2016 #14
Better to have questions answered the way YOU want them answered. jmg257 Jul 2016 #15
half wrong, half right, both of youse jimmy the one Jul 2016 #17
Nt a lot of time now, but considering the number of background checks lately jmg257 Jul 2016 #20
gun ownership rates fell dramatically 1992 - 2000 jimmy the one Jul 2016 #18
Thanks jimmy - addressed this in another post about ownership rates vs gunstock#s. jmg257 Jul 2016 #19
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