Gun Control & RKBA

Starboard Tack

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54. Sorry to disappoint you

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:34 PM

Aug 2015

but liberals don't carry guns. Scared people carry guns, because they think they may need to defend themselves by killing someone.
I don't know where you get the notion we are "authoritarian tyrants". Most just want minor things like registration and accountability. Hardly authoritatian tyranny.

I do not advocate the banning of any object, though I must admit I would prefer to live in a nuke-free world. But that ain't gonna happen.
Guns are everywhere. Pointless to ban them. Can't expect those who are afraid not to carry, as long as you have a paramilitary police force that kills civilians on a daily basis, with virtual impunity. The most effective deterrent seems to be the ubiquitous smartphone user who records these atrocities. Thankfully, almost everyone carries a camera/smartphone these days and they shoot people without bloodshed.

And regarding the Constitution, it is time for some serious updates. Time to catch up America, on so many levels.

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What would be the most efficient means of keeping guns away from criminals? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 OP

Take guns away/deny from good citizens. ileus Aug 2015 #1

"Take guns away"? No, that is unrealistic and not the solution Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #12

A) background checks! Fix the database discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #2

I'll go with a). Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #3

Smart guns. krispos42 Aug 2015 #4

Smarter guns sarisataka Aug 2015 #7

After calling 911 and reporting the location. krispos42 Aug 2015 #9

Un-invent guns? blueridge3210 Aug 2015 #5

Actively prosecute the illegal sales. ManiacJoe Aug 2015 #6

I'll go with D) Kang Colby Aug 2015 #8

The most efficient way would be to make gun possession in public illegal Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #10

Why not just aggravate the sentence of any crime committed with a gun? People who aren't Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #11

Unless what they are doing becomes a crime Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #13

"it could be argued that convicted felons who carry guns responsibly are not criminals" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #14

So the right to defend oneself with a gun excludes millions of Americans Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #20

First you grouse that law-aiding people are carrying. Now you're grousing convicted criminals aren't Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #21

First I was "carping", now I am "grousing" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #79

I would say that you are neither fish nor fowl, or possably both? n/t oneshooter Aug 2015 #83

Ah, forget thee not the good red meat! n/t Big_Mike Aug 2015 #100

We have the constitution because Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #75

What "right to defend oneself with a gun" are you referring to? cheapdate Sep 2015 #127

How well does that work out gejohnston Aug 2015 #15

How well does what work out? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #17

Chicago gejohnston Aug 2015 #22

They are obviously not doing it right. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #26

It has been under single party rule gejohnston Aug 2015 #28

It is already illegal for criminals to carry in public hack89 Aug 2015 #16

I don't think you get my point Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #18

Once you prove this is a true statement then we can talk hack89 Aug 2015 #19

I have no idea, but I'm sure it is many Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #23

The bigger concern would be criminal gang activity hack89 Aug 2015 #24

+100 840high Aug 2015 #76

are you saying that one should get the gejohnston Aug 2015 #25

I do not support the death penalty. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #29

wrong gejohnston Aug 2015 #31

You seem determined to defend Zimmerman Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #41

Facts, evidence, reason, honesty, consistency, gejohnston Aug 2015 #77

You still don't get where I'm coming from Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #78

Zimmerman is nothing like OJ gejohnston Aug 2015 #82

You must be kidding. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #84

Can you make a rational argument gejohnston Aug 2015 #85

"left of center independent thinker" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #86

I said nothing about that gejohnston Aug 2015 #87

Did you miss the part where I said the verdict was correct? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #91

The air marshal who trained him gejohnston Aug 2015 #93

Going with a smear. Stay classy! NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #99

rest assured, gejohnston Aug 2015 #97

"I have no idea, but I'm sure it is many" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #34

How many do you think it is? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #42

You made the original claim, so the onus is on *you* to back it up friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #44

No claim, I just stated the obvious Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #47

A claim to have "stated the obvious' is mere Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #48

I am more interested in why the existence of a statistically miniscule number branford Aug 2015 #49

Sorry to disappoint you Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #54

"Scared people carry guns" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #56

I claim no such thing. They exist and, if they carry, they may be scared too. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #59

"they may be scared too" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #66

You're kidding right? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #68

I live within sight of a million + acre national forest. Bear country... Marengo Aug 2015 #94

Sure they exist Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #115

How can you be curious if you'e already judged them to be scared? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #116

Why do you call it judging? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #117

There's also fires, personal injuries, natural disasters, etc. but I doubt you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #120

No, but I'd think someone carrying a fire extinguisher around may have a problem Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #122

Do you think ascribing emotions to people that they aren't feeling Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #123

You give me reasons why people carry guns Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #124

I also give you reasons why people buy homeowners insurance. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #129

I say silly things? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #135

"How does an AR-15 fit in a purse?" < silly thing said by you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #136

Inspired by you, though Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #137

I think it's safe to say you have pretty well nicked the scourge of women carrying Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #138

Who knows what... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #139

LOL Thank you Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #142

Because 'judge' is the the root of 'prejudiced'- and you *are* prejudiced friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #121

Nonsense. I do not proclaim them all afraid. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #125

"Most just want minor things like registration and accountability." beevul Aug 2015 #61

I don't know who you mean by "you guys" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #64

You guys" in this case... beevul Aug 2015 #65

What did you say that I disagree with? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #69

"Liberals don't carry guns" ??? branford Aug 2015 #62

You should be aware... beevul Aug 2015 #63

Well now, that explains a lot. Thanks. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #98

I think you misunderstood my post. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #67

"Windows has been updated about 9 times in 20 years and it is still far from perfect." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #70

I wouldn't call it "constant flux" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #71

"a society and not living in fear of each other." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #72

"Do you think the rest of us are stupid, or that we live in a repressive society?" beevul Aug 2015 #73

Your interlocutor seems to have suddenly lost interest in your conversation friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #80

Yeah...its funny how that works. N/t beevul Aug 2015 #81

The "rest of the world" eh?... Marengo Aug 2015 #95

Its sure to include places like Japan... beevul Aug 2015 #96

"liberals don't carry guns" beergood Sep 2015 #113

Excellent piece. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #114

I should know better than respond to you by now, but........ pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #118

We actually have hard data on that, and the vast majority of murders benEzra Aug 2015 #107

That prior arrest record and race data is vigorously denied by many... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #112

Smart Guns. deathrind Aug 2015 #27

I've been suggesting that for years Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #30

"yet they trust their gun. Maybe it's a hi-tech/lo-tech thing." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #33

Thanks for making my point. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #43

Yes, you proved we prefer reliability over phobia driven fantasies. Golly but you're clever. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #55

You want a reliable killing tool Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #57

"there are no stats to show that people sometimes get killed with their own guns" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #58

Oh boy! Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #60

You can give up if you wish but if you're certain RFID devices are so awesome Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #88

OMG I am so glad I don't live in a world where those questions need to be asked Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #89

There's no violent crime in your world or do the police always arrive in time? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #90

Why would the police arrive if there is no crime? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #92

How often do people have issues with smartphones? branford Aug 2015 #35

You are right... deathrind Aug 2015 #36

Sigh... Kang Colby Aug 2015 #37

You really didn't address my points, branford Aug 2015 #39

"(W)e will just continue down the path we have been on for decades..." Lower crime rates? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #45

F) Disarm the police SamKnause Aug 2015 #32

Wrong question. beevul Aug 2015 #38

That's what I was thinking --- but my answer would be "D" to that question. (other) pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #40

Good correction Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #46

I'm glad you don't advocate it, but how is it the "obvious" solution? branford Aug 2015 #50

I think you said it all Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #52

Thats a big statement... beevul Aug 2015 #74

"the disarmament policies of the crown" and "plastic silverware" LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #104

Why do you ask questions to which everyone knows the answers... beevul Aug 2015 #106

"Not easy in a country where half the population still lives in the 19th century." pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #103

Where is the smear marmol? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #105

LOL! Try to be a little more disingenuous....and good luck! NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #108

There was no smear intended Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #110

Thanks. beevul Aug 2015 #53

Decriminalize everything tularetom Aug 2015 #51

I would propose this: virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #101

Basically my thinking with post #40....... pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #102

Something just occurred to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #109

Shameless self-kick for this novel idea! n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #111

Sure as hell aint rocket surgery. pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #119

Especially those dangerous drug possession criminals. randys1 Sep 2015 #126

IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #131

Yeah, i was being sarcastic randys1 Sep 2015 #140

thanks, I kind of got that discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #141

Find the deepest trench in the Pacific Ocean... Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #128

If you want to collect all those guns... Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #130

So you'd ignore the Second Amendment TeddyR Sep 2015 #133

Both A and B, with mandatory open carry it caring it in public. The Reason. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #132

going back to the Wright Rossi study, gejohnston Sep 2015 #134