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Starry Messenger

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32. Public education in the US has been co-ed since the early 1900's too.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

We sent men to the moon and other numerous great feats with co-ed education. I think it would be more useful to look at why that worked rather than experiment with things that would be more appropriate in schools of choice, ie. private school.

Here's an excerpt from a letter from a parent:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights/my-daughters-deserve-be-taught-more-stereotypes



As a parent, I like to know about what’s going on in my kids’ lives. We go to every ball game. Every school function. We sit down as a family for dinner every night. It’s important for me to know what’s going on with their education.

So I was shocked to learn that Van Devender Middle School in, where my three daughters attend school in Wood County, West Virginia – with no warning to parents – was using our children in a misguided experiment to separate the boys from the girls, giving them completely different educational experiences. This was not mentioned in the parent orientation when my daughters entered the sixth grade. And there was no other option: unless we wanted to uproot our girls from the friends and classmates they had made in elementary school and send them to a different school, they had to participate in the single-gender program at Van Devender.

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Meanwhile, the girls are restricted in their movement and are placed in desks facing one another.
They don’t do this with the boys because they think that it would make the boys too confrontational.

The idea that all boys and all girls learn the same way is ridiculous—and I know my daughters would benefit from some of the methods used in the boys’ classrooms. For example, one of my daughters has attention-deficit disorder. She gets fidgety and sometimes needs to move around. Because this wasn’t permitted in the girls’ classroom, she is sometimes placed with the boys. And while this gives her the chance to move around, it’s unfair to single her out as being different from her classmates, as if she wasn’t a “normal” girl. My second daughter is legally blind, and would benefit from the brighter lights that are supposedly only better for boys. Another of my daughters learns best by repeating things out loud. Although she does this quietly, it can be disruptive to the student sitting at the desk opposite her. When she asked if she could move to the back of her English class to study, she was told she had to stay in the face-to-face formation.



Professional educators are trained to educate in many ways to accommodate different learning styles already. It doesn't break down along gender lines.

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my radical ideas handmade34 Jul 2012 #1
"Most destructive is age (discrimination): Yes! Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #27
The results of single sex classrooms have been positive. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #2
Also negative- Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #3
The FCAT itself is notoriously unreliable- Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #4
More on the studies of Leonard Sax, the web owner of Single Sex Schools- Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #5
Thank you for posting this obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #6
In addition, Sax's website even twists court decisions obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #7
Justice Ginsburg lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #13
So you agree Sax's website twists the VMI case's decsiion? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #17
I'm working on the assumption that you asked a question lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #18
The feminist case for SS classrooms is that is has been shown to increase girls test scores 30%. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #8
"Teaching Boys and Girls Separately" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #9
Schools can't do anything about socioeconomic status of the families living in the district. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #11
Parents who choose schools are defacto more involved in their children's education. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #14
"Pseudoscience in Sax on Sex" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #10
I'm more persuaded by arguments that refute the outcomes. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #12
Jeff, I am politely asking you to knock it off, now obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #15
It's worse. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #16
From the president of Bryn Mawr. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #19
Bryn Mawr is not a public school. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #20
The "why" matters, else it's hard to ascribe the outcome to the intervention. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #22
In this case, both the blue eyed and brown eyed students tested better. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #23
You missed the point about eye color but bias is one way that data can be corrupted. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #24
I don't think I did. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #25
Without at least a strong correlation it's just a guess. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #29
I agree to this extent. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #30
Do banks issue Mortgages based upon gender or income, payment histories etc? One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #21
Very bad idea. nt ladjf Jul 2012 #26
I'm so damn tired of everything being politicized. xfundy Jul 2012 #28
I thought we figured out that "Separate but Equal" kdmorris Jul 2012 #31
Public education in the US has been co-ed since the early 1900's too. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #32
I have three daughters, as well kdmorris Jul 2012 #33
Perfectly stated! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #34
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