Glad to see some pushback.

[Ms. Toad]

44. Here, there were two women who described themselves as

FAAB. It took much more discussion than I expected for people to recognize the implications of that - it was an immediate "click" for me.

Do I think that viewpoint (or more express versions of it) will take over - no. But had they been a bit smoother, and had it not been for the parallel work of the LGBT community in identifying that designation as an anti-trans (not believing trans women are real woman - because they are really still men) I suspect it would have taken even longer.

BUT - as noted in another thread, even though that posture was a turn-off for me - some of those separatist women brought an incredible energy and drive to the movement, and I don't think we should deny that - or their contributions (any more than I think we should deny the contributions of some of the drag queens, and other marginalized people within the gay community, who were able to risk it all at Stonewall to some extent because they had nothing left to lose).

I'm just not in favor of whitewashing history - particularly when I lived through it and around the edges of the women being written off as isolated nut cases (or as being made up by men).