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ZombieHorde

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1. I will offer a little to get things started...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:53 AM
Feb 2012

Last edited Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)

I have read on DU that words can't hurt you unless you let them.


This reasoning assumes we all have great control over our emotions. Consider the following extreme example: The death of your children can't hurt you unless you let it.

We are interconnected beings, and we have emotions. The reasoning denies these facts.

I feel like I am missing a really good rebuttal here. I am going to think about it some more.

I have read on DU that people have free speech, and that feminists are trying to infringe on that right.


Free speech is about government restrictions on its citizens. If I stand in a store and yell, "fuck my armpit," over and over, I will be asked to leave. If I don't leave, the police will be summoned to remove me for trespassing.

I have read on DU that feminists who point out sexist speech are "pearl clutchers" are "getting the vapors" and "need a fainting couch".


They can't argue against your point, so they argue against you instead. Extremely immature argumentation tactic in my opinion. Some people just can't admit when they are wrong, so they throw a tantrum instead.

I have read on DU that pointing out the use of this sexist language is detrimental to feminism, essentially minimizing more pervasive forms of sexism.


Why? Because sexist people will be offended? For this one, I may try to get the poster to specifically state why they think this, and then ask them if the reason applies to them. Should our arguments be for some mythical, unknown audience?

Offer specifics, and expect specifics in return.

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Words [View all] boston bean Feb 2012 OP
I will offer a little to get things started... ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #1
Thank you Zombie Horde, all very good responses. boston bean Feb 2012 #4
I contend the original claim is true Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #18
If we shouldn't consider each others feelings, then why is anything "bad?" ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #19
No one said anything about how we treat others Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #20
tell that to a child. all of us who have raised children know better. tell that to a seabeyond Feb 2012 #21
Don't worry Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #22
four agreements. an easy book to read. basic. so simple. one of my favorites seabeyond Feb 2012 #23
I see. We are talking about two slightly different subjects. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #24
Here's what I think of the second excuse... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #2
I agree Violet boston bean Feb 2012 #5
it's late here, but just a couple of quick thoughts on a battle we have been fighting for at least` niyad Feb 2012 #3
All very good points, niyad! boston bean Feb 2012 #6
we hear about the teens bullied with words killing themselves.. we are outraged. seabeyond Feb 2012 #7
+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #8
Very good points with real-life examples. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #12
addressing it from another perspective. always denigrating, dismissing, creating a caricature of a seabeyond Feb 2012 #9
ok... lets look at it from another perspective. du. words dont matter... all the stuff. gynergy seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
All of those arguments are b.s. and are typical of the larger culture's dismissal of women's rights. yardwork Feb 2012 #11
I'm not very good at doing that either. boston bean Feb 2012 #13
Many DUers have the impression that I am a suburban man riding around on a lawn mower swilling beer! yardwork Feb 2012 #15
Your last paragraph is exactly how I feel. boston bean Feb 2012 #16
..... yardwork Feb 2012 #17
I really don't know how to respond. redqueen Feb 2012 #14
That is SUCH a good point, redqueen Remember Me Feb 2012 #25
yes. from a different angle, the fight to use sexist terms... it is odd, when one takes a step seabeyond Feb 2012 #26
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