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In reply to the discussion: Mexican Flags Have Become Republican Fodder, but Protesters Keep Waving Them [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(103,950 posts)54. Do not obey in advance.
Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.
Anticipatory obedience is a political tragedy. Perhaps rulers did not initially know that citizens were willing to compromise this value or that principle. Perhaps a new regime did not at first have the direct means of influencing citizens one way or another. After the German elections of 1932, which brought Nazis into government, or the Czechoslovak elections of 1946, where communists were victorious, the next crucial step was anticipatory obedience. Because enough people in both cases voluntarily extended their services to the new leaders, Nazis and communists alike realized that they could move quickly toward a full regime change. The first heedless acts of conformity could not then be reversed.
https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny
Anticipatory obedience is a political tragedy. Perhaps rulers did not initially know that citizens were willing to compromise this value or that principle. Perhaps a new regime did not at first have the direct means of influencing citizens one way or another. After the German elections of 1932, which brought Nazis into government, or the Czechoslovak elections of 1946, where communists were victorious, the next crucial step was anticipatory obedience. Because enough people in both cases voluntarily extended their services to the new leaders, Nazis and communists alike realized that they could move quickly toward a full regime change. The first heedless acts of conformity could not then be reversed.
https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny
When people tell protesters they shouldn't fly the flag of a friendly country that they, and millions of others, have ancestral links to, and disparage it as "peacocking and strutting", while praising fascists as savvy, that's anticipatory obedience.
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Mexican Flags Have Become Republican Fodder, but Protesters Keep Waving Them [View all]
AStern
Jun 11
OP
Nobody seems to be too worked up by Irish flags at St Patrick's Day parades
displacedvermoter
Jun 11
#1
Wait...was this a parade, with clowns passing out lollipops and colorful floats and
Wingus Dingus
Jun 11
#17
Aww, someone wasn't actually looking for a straight answer, but got one anyway.
Wingus Dingus
Jun 11
#22
These parades and festivals are important cultural and in some places religious events in
displacedvermoter
Jun 11
#44
I don't think the people from communities not at risk of arbitrary arrest can disparage them as "peacocking"
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 11
#47
You could control your praise of the fascists as "savvy", however (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 11
#50
Anticipatory obedience in this case would be to advise everyone to just accept
Wingus Dingus
Jun 11
#55
Good for the protestors: don't let fascist GOPers and cowardly Dems frame the issue
Prairie Gates
Jun 11
#4
Interesting that you mentioned that, because there are plenty of US and Mexican flags - if only the news would show you
AStern
Jun 11
#38
I think the argument was sourced from the same entities that brought us "Genocide Joe"
AStern
Jun 11
#13
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's minds &
Ping Tung
Jun 11
#12
Why would a group of people tagged as criminals and rapists show pride in their community?
AStern
Jun 11
#20
I hope to see more flags from Mexicans, Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Panamanians
AStern
Jun 11
#26
Republicans don't let truth get in their way. They will even fabricate things for their own propaganda
DSandra
Jun 11
#27