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muriel_volestrangler

(103,950 posts)
54. Do not obey in advance.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 03:37 PM
Jun 11
Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.

Anticipatory obedience is a political tragedy. Perhaps rulers did not initially know that citizens were willing to compromise this value or that principle. Perhaps a new regime did not at first have the direct means of influencing citizens one way or another. After the German elections of 1932, which brought Nazis into government, or the Czechoslovak elections of 1946, where communists were victorious, the next crucial step was anticipatory obedience. Because enough people in both cases voluntarily extended their services to the new leaders, Nazis and communists alike realized that they could move quickly toward a full regime change. The first heedless acts of conformity could not then be reversed.

https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny

When people tell protesters they shouldn't fly the flag of a friendly country that they, and millions of others, have ancestral links to, and disparage it as "peacocking and strutting", while praising fascists as savvy, that's anticipatory obedience.

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Nobody seems to be too worked up by Irish flags at St Patrick's Day parades displacedvermoter Jun 11 #1
Wait...was this a parade, with clowns passing out lollipops and colorful floats and Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #17
You seem rather concerned AStern Jun 11 #18
I'd leave out the violence and the flags, for sure. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #19
LOL AStern Jun 11 #21
Aww, someone wasn't actually looking for a straight answer, but got one anyway. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #22
Cry more AStern Jun 11 #23
I'm doing fine, thanks. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #28
Post removed Post removed Jun 11 #32
These parades and festivals are important cultural and in some places religious events in displacedvermoter Jun 11 #44
There's a time and place for peacocking and strutting one's ethnic pride. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #46
I don't think the people from communities not at risk of arbitrary arrest can disparage them as "peacocking" muriel_volestrangler Jun 11 #47
Things aren't fair. We're in a whole new world now, where Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #49
You could control your praise of the fascists as "savvy", however (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 11 #50
Savvy is a fair word. They know what they're trying to achieve-- Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #51
Do not obey in advance. muriel_volestrangler Jun 11 #54
Anticipatory obedience in this case would be to advise everyone to just accept Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #55
Ok, glad we have some savvy folks here on DU displacedvermoter Jun 11 #48
Any flag messaging problems from today's displacedvermoter Jun 15 #56
Fuck those Roman saluting bastards newdeal2 Jun 11 #2
What isn't fodder for the republican shit heads? William769 Jun 11 #3
Exactly MustLoveBeagles Jun 11 #42
Well, for starters B.See Jun 11 #53
Good for the protestors: don't let fascist GOPers and cowardly Dems frame the issue Prairie Gates Jun 11 #4
Just because some of us would like to see yorkster Jun 11 #25
Join them in the streets and wave an American flag. LuvLoogie Jun 11 #30
If I were there I would probably have both flags. US and Mexican. yorkster Jun 11 #36
Interesting that you mentioned that, because there are plenty of US and Mexican flags - if only the news would show you AStern Jun 11 #38
Agree that media is focusing on the burning yorkster Jun 11 #41
The area involve is less than a square mile AStern Jun 11 #43
Yes, of course just like Trump's idiotic comment yorkster Jun 11 #45
we wave a lot of flags in this country cadoman Jun 11 #5
Nobody's business to tell them how to protest. Jirel Jun 11 #6
Do you really think they wouldn't get just as worked up by US flags? Mariana Jun 11 #7
I tend to think the Optics argument has also turned into conservative fodder. Torchlight Jun 11 #8
I think the argument was sourced from the same entities that brought us "Genocide Joe" AStern Jun 11 #13
Too bad. So sad. Ms. Toad Jun 11 #9
In El Pueblo de Nuestra Seora la Reina de los Angeles? Reader Rabbit Jun 11 #10
It wasn't just Republicans who were mad about it lol WhiskeyGrinder Jun 11 #11
That is mentioned in the article AStern Jun 11 #14
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's minds & Ping Tung Jun 11 #12
Thought the protests were to draw negative attention to ICE's tactics. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #15
Why would a group of people tagged as criminals and rapists show pride in their community? AStern Jun 11 #20
From the article: Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #24
I hope to see more flags from Mexicans, Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Panamanians AStern Jun 11 #26
Well, OK, you do you. Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author AStern Jun 11 #34
Yet none of them are carrying California flags either. ms liberty Jun 11 #37
Yep. Actually, flags in general are a bad idea because you just know Wingus Dingus Jun 11 #39
White Wingers would complain if "Mexicans" were carrying American flags. Silent Type Jun 11 #16
Republicans don't let truth get in their way. They will even fabricate things for their own propaganda DSandra Jun 11 #27
Down with gatekeeping Basso8vb Jun 11 #29
The fact that they're complaining about flags means they aren't able to complain about violence ck4829 Jun 11 #31
If you look at the live feeds. LuvLoogie Jun 11 #35
I think I'll fly the Mexican flag Cirsium Jun 11 #40
NYT is ass GenThePerservering Jun 11 #52
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