There are no affirming Churches because true Christianity is not an affirming religion--end christopretensism

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

[walkingman]

1. Interesting....our previous interaction led me to explore your viewpoint.

As an atheist I am cynical of religion but open to enlightenment. ☮

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

2. I would rather people who believe in LGBTQ+ call themselves atheist or pagan

Christianity is not like gender where it means whatever people want it to mean. Christianity is a well defined group of beliefs based on theistic philosophy and divine revelation.

[Ocelot II]

3. Many LGBTQ+ people are not atheists or pagans at all, but are devout Christians.

Who are you to decide who is or isn't a Christian? And whose "divine revelation" are we talking about? Please cite an instance where Jesus mentions homosexuality. Also, one doesn't "believe in" LGBTQ+ any more than one believes in being left-handed or having red hair. It's a characteristic, one of many possible characteristics of humanity, not a belief.

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

8. LGBTQ+ are verbs not nouns

Making verbs identities is praxisidentism.

[Ocelot II]

10. What right-wing sewer did this nonsense come from?

A particular characteristic of a person doesn't mean that characteristic defines the person's entire being. If a person is a gay male musician, for example, is his "identity" that of a gay person or a man or a musician? Why can't he just be a human being with an assortment of characteristics and abilities like all other human beings? Likewise, a person who "identifies" as Christian is simply saying that he/she accepts the tenets of one of the established Christian denominations. That person could also be a gay male musician, all at the same time. I am personally acquainted with a number of gay male Christian musicians and not one of them reduces any of those aspects to an identity.

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

12. This has to do with the philosophy of love the sinner but hate the sin

[Ocelot II]

14. Which sin from that list must we hate? Carpentry? Gaming?

Or only same-sex attraction, which Jesus never mentioned? If that's it, then you are advocating for a "religion" that preaches bigotry with no scriptural basis.

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

16. Christianity should not be colonized by cultural trends

LGBTQ+ is not, never has been and never will be part of Christian culture. We believe God made sexuality ordered for marriage because a man and a woman and no possibility for change of sex/gender. Please respect our beliefs.

Christianity is not an open tent. Colonizing Christianity by mainstream secular culture delegitimizes it as a distinct sovereign religion and Philosophical worldview.

[Ocelot II]

18. You can believe whatever you want. It doesn't mean you're right.

I would ask that you also respect the beliefs of the millions of other Christians who don't agree with you; it's not a one-way street. I would also ask again that you specifically identify where Jesus is quoted as having said anything about homosexuality (and I'm not talking about the Old Testament or Paul). In any event I don't think this is the right forum for you, as progressive Christians do not accept what you believe about this issue.

[obamanut2012]

25. How in the world is this poster allowed to be here????

Not you, the homophobic one.

[Wiz Imp]

28. Agreed. How did this original post not get removed and this user banned?

[Ocelot II]

31. It's a small forum, maybe it went mostly unnoticed.

I hope it's taken care of.

[Wiz Imp]

36. I'm guessing that's it. I didn't see it until today.

I wish I had seen it earlier.

[Ocelot II]

37. You know what to do...

[Wiz Imp]

39. Yep

[obamanut2012]

44. i did about an hour ago

[obamanut2012]

24. WTAF this is a RW view

I am gay, and Episcopalian, and part of the leadership of my church.

How is this allowed to even be posted here?

[Wiz Imp]

29. It should have been removed immediately

It shouldn't be too late - it should be removed and this user banned now. This is among the most offensive things I've ever read on DU. (Not to mention, the person apparently believes Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus)

[Ocelot II]

32. I tried...

It wasn't removed so I tried debating, to no avail apparently.

[Wiz Imp]

34. I figured you did.

I don't understand how anyone could read that garbage and be anything but sickened by it. If ever there was a post that broke the rules of the forum, this was it.

[obamanut2012]

46. Six recs

[obamanut2012]

45. I tried, too

[Alansworld]

47. Check again?

Not to be a grammar nazi, but they seem like adjectives to me. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the rest of that.

[we can do it]

40. I would prefer bigots eat shit and die.

[ThreeNoSeep]

4. Hmmm.

Somebody is pretending.

[Ocelot II]

5. Indeed.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. And this is why I subscribe to humanism, atheism, free thought, and ethical culture.

It's self-sustaining, not affirming.

It's accepting of all faiths with the exception of those who use their faith to discriminate and practice bigotry against others.

I can be in the pews of a church, singing a hymn and I don't feel pressured to convert or to question my beliefs.

I support the faith of others. My Truth isn't superior to their Truth(s).

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

7. All religions can't be true

[no_hypocrisy]

9. It's subjective and personally true.

As long as the others don't impede my "truth", it's all good.

[Ocelot II]

11. How do we know which one is "true"? Who decides?

The Spanish Inquisition decided by torturing and killing people. Wars have been fought over what the "true" religion is. Is that what we want?

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

13. It's up to philosophers/theologians to debate and discuss

I have ideas but my point here is that we should be allowed to have this conversation instead of defaulting to "respect all religions" because only one religion can be true. All religions can contain some truth but they're not all fully true.

[Ocelot II]

15. So as long as we're debating, which religion is the fully true one, and why?

If the true religion is Christianity, which of its many versions is also the true and correct one? If you really believe that there is only one true religion, don't pass that opinion off to philosophers and theologians, who don't agree either. What do YOU think?

[Jose Flavio Sanchez]

17. This is not the forum for that conversation

Spoiler, it is not a denomination. Christianity is a theological/philosophical worldview.

Look up the Neologism Deusmediatorunitionist for a hint.

I will be out with a new edition of my book when I have time to update it. I'm too busy in college so I haven't had a chance.

[Ocelot II]

19. Oh, you're in college. That explains a lot.

[TomSlick]

21. Did you note the name of this forum - Christian Liberals & Progressive People of Faith?

You seem to be saying that a Christian cannot be a liberal.

[obamanut2012]

23. I have been wanting to post in here, and this was the first post I saw

I am Episcopalian and LGBT. Am I not welcome in this forum? ie is in not for Liberal and progressive Christians, but only atheists and pagans? This entire thread is confusing me.

[Ocelot II]

33. Of course you are welcome. This OP is an anomaly and they don't belong here.

[obamanut2012]

43. Thank you

Trump and Bishop Budde drove me back into the pews last year, so I was really disheartened to see his posts weren't hidden, so I guess juries thought it was okay. sigh

[TomSlick]

48. This forum is precisely intended for you

This is a great spot for liberal Christians and other people of faith to discuss how our faith is implicated in politics.

[Wiz Imp]

30. This (whatever this person is) is totally ignorant of the fact that Jesus was in fact a liberal

This person has zero understanding of Jesus and true Christianity.

[TomSlick]

49. Exactly.

Jesus taught a disruptive form of liberalism.

[obamanut2012]

22. 100% incorrect, and it is really tacky you posted this in here

My church is absolutely affirming.

[Srkdqltr]

26. Frankly its all bigotry. Parsing words . Pretention , snobery, and totally ugly.

[ms liberty]

27. I would suggest you read John Fugelsang and Daniel McClellan

You're not shouting into a void of hell-bent atheists here, you're insulting educated adults, people of faith and goodwill with your narrow and incomplete education...or is it just your conservative bias talking?
Also, when posting a meme that purports to be educational, attribution is expected. Just where did you pull that garbage from?

And finally, do you like pizza?

[Ocelot II]

35. It would appear that the memes are of the OP's own creation.

The OP has invented their own theological jargon to support a terrible perversion of Christianity. They also confessed elsewhere in this thread that they are in college, which explains a lot. A 19-year-old college kid who is exploring philosophical ideas often believes himself to be more "enlightened" than everyone else, and might go off on some pompous dissertation of their newly-discovered ideas. This young self-proclaimed theologian is presenting their especially offensive and deeply inaccurate (one might even say heretical) ideas about Christianity. I doubt they can be influenced at all until they have at least completed puberty.

[ms liberty]

38. I did not read far enough downthread to see that. It explains a lot.

[Wiz Imp]

41. You're almost cerrtainly right

I see in another thread he called himself a Deusmediatorunitionist . That is a totally made-up word. He also made 2 posts about Lucridolaters (another completely made up word) which got 0 responses but did get a few recs. The word he used in this post "Christopretensism" is yet another completely made up word. He definitely believes himself to be more "enlightened" than everyone else. Ugh.

[Freddie]

42. You're in the wrong group, pal

Please see yourself out.