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Related: About this forumCan someone please explain to me what is the OFFSIDE rule in ⚽? ...
Attached is an image of yesterday's 1st Messi goal.
As you can see, Messi is ONSIDE, but his teammate is clearly OFFSIDE, yet this is considered a good goal.

House of Roberts
(6,740 posts)aggiesal
(11,027 posts)I've seen Offsides called under this dame condition, plenty of times.
Where a pass is made to the Onside player yet an Offside player on the opposite side of the field is flagged for Offsides.
I'll supply an image when I see this condition, to prove my point.
Bobstandard
(2,445 posts)I had to try to explain how offsides work without pictures and had a hard time
PS. I know that in an earlier game the Messi rule accounted for at least one goal. Someone else will have to explain that too
underpants
(197,974 posts)The "Messi Rule" most commonly refers to the MLS off-field treatment rule. Implemented in 2024 to prevent time-wasting, it requires a player who stays down for more than 15 seconds to leave the field for two minutes if medical staff enter. Lionel Messi exposed a flaw in this rule when an opponent's foul forced him off the pitch, prompting his team's coach to criticize the rule for punishing the fouled team.
aggiesal
(11,027 posts)Bobstandard
(2,445 posts)I was being facetious mindful of how Messi, Mahomes,, and others so often come out on the good side of calls, or non calls.
underpants
(197,974 posts)He definitely gets calls. Balogun got a red for the same thing Messi did in another game.
EarlG
(23,778 posts)then consider that soccers rule is similar, except in hockey the blue line is visible and in a fixed position, whereas in soccer the blue line is invisible and it moves up and down the field in sync with whichever member of the defending team is standing closest to his own goal (not including the goalkeeper).
There are other complications (such as the question of whether an offside player is considered part of the play or not, as in the OPs example) the rules for which tend to get fiddled with over time. But Ive found the easiest way to explain basic offside is the moving blue line analogy.
Of course, its not very useful if the person youre explaining it to doesnt know hockey either.
underpants
(197,974 posts)has to have two members of the opposite team between them and the goal. The key on that pic is that Messi received the pass. If his teammate had received it, that would be offsides.
That means they cant be AHEAD in anyway of either player. Usually the goalie is in the goal area so that means there is a dance between the offensive player and the defender nearest to them. The defender may try to get them offside by running away from their own goal before the pass is made (risky) AND defenders will not go back too far towards their goal which limits how far the offensive player can venture towards the goal.
This doesnt change even if theres a melee right in front of the goal. Each pass (intended or not) is assessed.
I hope that helps.
House of Roberts
(6,740 posts)Then an offensive player kicks it in? There's usually a lot of deflections in those situations.
underpants
(197,974 posts)There was an instance of something like that in a game a few days ago. I forget which one.
So lets say we are attacking. Theres a defender between us (and the goali is on his line - in the goal) Im on the left and I shoot towards the far pole. You, the intrepid ball hound that you are, are ahead and realize you can redirect the ball and almost surely score. If the ball passes by the non goalie and you touch it first - offsides. If it hits the non goalie and it still gets to you - its onside.
If you never touch the ball, theres no call at all.
GOALLL!!!!!
aggiesal
(11,027 posts)Where a pass is made to the Onside player yet an Offside player on the opposite side of the field is flagged for Offsides.
I'll supply an image when I see this condition again, to prove my point.
Also in the WC this year, I've seen fouls called outside the pentalty area, but the same foul not being called inside the penalty area. Almost like the referees were told not to award penalty kicks, unless a player is literally mugged or an obvious hand ball occurred.
Also, a lot more jersey pulling & arm/body holding then previous WC matches.
underpants
(197,974 posts)What you described. Anyone offsides stops play but from what Ive seen its changed.
I agree in the officiating. Canada and Morocco are beating the hell out of each other in this match. Oooh fight!!