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Related: About this forumChris Ketcham: Clowns to the Left of Me, Fascists to the Right
If I had a brother, he would no doubt be incredibly annoying not awesome like Ol jfz9580m (a satiric non-homage to Ol Orlick from Great Expectations).
But, if I could have had a brother I actually respected it would be Chris Ketcham. Extra points for slamming the sleazy Jacobin, where writers like Ben Wray write brainless opeds referring to womens rights as popular (that is encouraging..it is one of those minor conveniences I like..womens rights) and quotes mindnumbingly brainless Indian economists still supporting this cancerous model of pointless, nuisance growth that exploits desperation, deregulation, human overpopulation and drives a race-to-the-bottom via global migration, straining the limits to growth everywhere (including on my own damn street here in India).
To no one is it more cruel than the poorest immigrants: the 70,000 immigrants languishing in hells, the blind Rohingya refugee..But no discussion of a root cause separate from the usual ICE versus DEI wars, which leave Mark Cuban, Vinod Khosla, Reid Hoffman and Elon Musk out of the equation survives on social media. In this environment Ammon Bundy is seen as pro-immigrant. Superficial, ahistorical wrt any discourse more than a week old..
A nauseating war-monger called Hagar Chemali whose husband works in private equity is considered on the left in this vile environment.
Preach it brother:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/03/08/clowns-to-the-left-of-me-fascists-to-the-right/
On the Left, to oppose this threat, theres a clown car. Behold the rickety wheels, the doors falling off, the tailpipe belching smoke, and the disgorged passengers: the worthless social justice Left.
Remember that the Left, as it was once understood, no longer exists, there being no actual movement in this country of, by, and for the working and lower classes, no movement staunchly opposed to blood-sucking rentiers, industry oligarchs, and idle rich parasites, broadly the upper classes. There is no Left in this country that would have those folks hung, beheaded, or flown to an airless planet (they can have Mars).
This lipstick on the Dimon pig satisfies the rule on the Left that language also trumps class. The banksters can keep on preying on us so long as they follow the proper speech codes. Dimon laughs all the way to the bank as the puritanical children sit goggle-eyed and distracted by nonsense purity tests.
The world this brain-dead Left hopes to bring about is not one in which fundamental power relations are moved an iota in the direction of tangible justice (which is economic and also ecological). The world they are seeking is one in which a black-hispanic trans lesbian (take your pick of aggrieved identities it doesnt matter) will gain enough power within the confines of the vicious system, so that, for example, she/he/they/it can order the delivery of bombs to wedding parties in Yemen. After all, we want an empire that allows everyone, no matter creed, color, or gender, the possibility of committing state-sanctioned mass murder. In fact, the mass murder will be better done if committed by historically disadvantaged groups. DEI in the Pentagon!
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A military vet William Astore made the same point:
https://www.salon.com/2023/10/15/beyond-the-rights-woke-slurs-what-would-a-progressive-us-military-really-look-like_partner/
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An enlightened Left would center on two matters: class and the protection of the biosphere. The obvious intersectionality of the two: growthist capitalism, driven by the rich, means the strangling of the biosphere as capital transforms the living world into inert exchange value, leaving always less of nature alive.
Where you stand on class and ecology on class war from above that amounts to ecocide should determine your allies. The upper classes who are Republican or Democrat, right or left, they are Upton Sinclairs wings of the same bird of prey, and they need to be set afire tout de suite.
Id suggest that we turn our flamethrowers on the socialist technocrat Left, too (as distinct from the woke left). These simpletons see any issue of Jacobin for their exemplars envision the permanent growth of the megatechnic human enterprise and care not that it comes at continuing ruinous cost to the natural world. The technocrat Left, divorced from biophysical reality and lacking any respect for limits to growth on a tiny planet, seeks a super-populated, hyper-industrialized, high-tech, Star-Trek-redistributionist utopia. Virulently anti-environment, anti-ecology, anti-green, abased worshippers of the Megamachine making them little different from their putative enemies, the machine-loving capitalists these red Lefties are as lost as the woke Lefties.
In the meantime, the Trumpenvolk remain unbowed malevolent, ambitious, engaged, organized and, if the polls are an indication, their now openly fascist leader could take the presidency again this November. The woke mob howls at the injustice of it all, full of sound and fury that signifies nothing, builds nothing, accomplishes nothing. The rest of us have no idea where to find allies worth having.
Chris is awesome.
OKIsItJustMe
(21,762 posts)🎶Stuck in the Middle with you.🎵
jfz9580m
(16,844 posts)I was sardonically observing more candidates for the Darwin Awards continuing to disgrace my street pushing the limits. As I have enough reason after 14 years to press charges in any realistic sense, at this point I view further encroachment and failure to get what is going on here as falling for entrapment, whether you are a corrupt public official, corrupt data scientist/researcher etc etc or just a random little misogynistic creep.
Dogville already bared its teeth far too often encouraged by exploitative trash like that Gita Gambhir style race-baiting and my lefty/pragmatic pushback is just starting and it wont be pretty. I have no use for the Unabomber.
Sane law enforcement over corrupt pseudo elites and mobs I can work with.
Open Borders, Defund the Police and China/Russia/ etc humping are the worst ideas/strategies of the left.
I am anti-stupidity, sleaziness, serious logical inconsistencies and heartlessness, left or right.
The roots of the left to me are compassion not moralizing, bullying and celebrity culture.
For instance I support Zelensky and Ukraine, but not a sleazy spook propagandist like Malcolm Nance. Hagar Chemali is a war-monger not left.
All sided sleaziness and stupidity. I rarely pay attention to the right, so I dont really follow it. But I can say I care as little about Taylor Swift, Oprah, Beyonce, this new Bad Bunny person ( who was the last straw somehow) as Hulk Hogan, Jordan Petersen, Robin Hanson and those completely brainless IDW creeps.
The average human has to rise up against this noxious, heartless, brainless media environment.
After 14 years of trying to grin and bear through intense stupidity, I have hit my limits. I am on the rampage because I have to go back to my field, which is not compatible with this bullshit.
I tried to stay in my lane and do my duties and now I have had enough. This is too stupid.
I am a neutral party in these cultures wars of all sided brainlessness.
But they have continued to piss off Ol jfz9580m and that wont end well. I am done trying to be a silly Indian lady
These motherfuckers need to get what is not kayfabe and what is not a game world and who not to mess with, not for 8 months, not 2 years but 14 bloody years and counting.
I have lost all patience. I have never had any mental illness. But I was more prone to being bullied as an only child and a solitary woman.
I am going Straw Dogs on these creeps. I have never seen that movie, but it vaguely fits.
I mean not vigilante justice or violence. This is a chaotic time and draconian legal precedents can transform a world that will be ripped apart of those platforms continue to bleed into real life and everyone just sits around gaping vacantly.
I cannot afford that. I never lie or play games or bullshit. It doesnt serve me and this should be uncomfortable not exciting or funny. Well..it is funny for Ol jfz9580m, who is a nice person, but in whose veins battle lust is the sole form of lust that has ever flowed and I am a bit sick of trying to hide that.
OKIsItJustMe
(21,762 posts)https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2025.2488676
https://theconversation.com/i-investigated-millions-of-tweets-from-the-kremlins-troll-factory-and-discovered-classic-propaganda-techniques-reimagined-for-the-social-media-age-237712
The polarization is not exactly new, but, then, neither are efforts by Russia/The Soviet Union to encourage it.
Protecting the environment/climate (or not) is just one more issue for them to exploit.
https://grist.org/article/russian-trolls-shared-some-truly-terrible-climate-change-memes/
https://www.climateinformationwatch.org/post/the-emerging-problem-of-climate-trolls
At the recent invitation-only inauguration, the news told us that there were tech billionaires present! The aspect which seems to have been missed is that these billionaires included the CEOs of the major social media firms the same guys who decided to let a certain former president back on their platforms after banning him "for life.
You see, his playbook, strangely similar to Russias, is to foment division, and key to that effort is social media."
jfz9580m
(16,844 posts)Unless you are this really weak-headed follower. And I am contemptuous of that Frances Haugen, Wynn Williams, Tristan Harris crocodile tears bs.
These people want everyone to waste their time on pointless conversations and worthless bullshit jobs that are lucrative, destroying way more worthwhile stuff like the few people I follow because they are bright in areas outside hard science and they ramp up the austerity and gate-keeping with unfair competition practices targeting first people like me they correctly predict would be least sympathetic from a hard science skill perspective.
Then it will be everyone. I am not a good scientist and I have not been able to improve because of this bullshit. But I am bright enough.
I am shrewd about people and I do not buy any of this. Look I take my lumps. If I cannot be solvent the real way, I withdraw. And I am not histrionic etc. I want to survive.
I come from a matriarchal society with a lot of rather domineering women and so in between outbursts of anger, I loathe that tough female/girlboss shit coming from a family of aside from my mom, very opinionated and bossy women. And I didnt want to be like that and most men I met were randoms not misogynistic because society was not this bad stunningly 15-20 years ago.
This average of lots of backward and regressive or noob progressive..
My grandfather was a feminist who wanted his daughters to major in stem fields and prioritize employment over children.
Like these people have such a limited perspective. They think all women from the global south are like the women who talk to them.
I was trying to be nice. I kept seeming crazy because I tried to leave because I knew it would come to this.
They will mire more and more people. Steve Chun and Yan Lecun would not be able to look me in the eye and deny the reality of what I am saying.
My point is this is above all an economic war of attrition. These mediocre guys are sucking everything away starting with the weakest hard scientists like me and working their way up and I dont mind not having a job or leaving.
I am not covering for thisz
These things..Russian influence etc that these Molly something, Hagar Chemali, Malcolm Nance, these are sleazy dem spook propagandists who do not give a shit about Ukraine or Zelensky anymore than Putin does about anyone. These are gatekept narratives on both sides:
No both sides are not the same.
And I saw ludicrous fucking eclectic and syncretic mix of Steve Bannon, Richard Branson and that ass Ralph Nader.
These people are all narcissists. I agree with DUs mission (though to avoid libel and legal issues for EarlG, I have been in a sort of flailing attempt at balance, gushing about Hawley, Shyam Sankar and Stepfanie Tyler- hey the stupid of the times is catching-a strange mix I threw together to shield EarlG from accusations of Indian influence operations
this is fucking ridiculous.
But my point is EarlG cares. These in it for themselves dem types Reid Hoffman, Tara MacGowan..I saw this style of votebank politics in India polarise people and make things less democratic. And this divide and ruel by spooks.
I have sounded insane for years because I genuinely dont get how these people think. Asiz Huq was correct. You throw away years of legislative decisions, you throw away millions of years of evolution and get these pathetic llms and this fucking awful Maha crunchy and ..
This is stupid and I support Dr Fauci, Francis Collins and Lina Khan and fuck it.
I stand by this post.
These peoples minds are a nightmare. Everytime they talk, there are so many damn logical inconsistencies and highly cloistered and tunnel vision filled views, I
i used to annoy..most everyone by being too theory of eveythjng without the hard skills to pull it off, but I am pleased to announce that I have a fledgling model of the world that isnt this transactional nightmarish hodgepodge of low priority culture wars, fashion sense, impulses and narcissism.
These people all suck.
I didnt go into science for this bullshit. I get preemptively and reflexively shrill.
jfz9580m
(16,844 posts)I can see being a bigger deal than influence.
I had a suspicion that my sleazy former employer, this nightmarish spooky hell, was probably aware of like all this Russian and Chinese ransomware because all these creeps buy cheap shit and then look at porn and then probably tell us all that it is like a vaccine!
We all these perverts and their porn, fraud, misconduct and Ol jfzz9580m and her pot should all tacitly accept a surveillance state as no one is innocent and we should pull together. Fuck that. All the creeps and their porn and fraud can go to hell.
Some pot is not worth this 15 year bts and now more overt attack on democracy.
I dont really have any views on Russia (sympathy for Ukraine aside and respect for Zelensky-who really does seem different from the typical leader) though Putin is a creep.
But my ex follows US politics closely. He is a really staunch dem as is his mom who is actually like a grassroots boots on the ground base type. I am very fond of her. He used to post here long back.
But he is very..like he never just repeats what everyone says and he has consistently called out what he says is the type of dem he doesnt like..and he is no Jill Stein or Nader supporter. His worldview is very aligned with DU that way.
But he thinks a set of dem spook propagandists have overhyped the Russia thing and conned a portion of the online left.
That is why he (and I for other reasons) really likes Yasha Levine, who doesnt have positions that are ideological entirely -like our side must win - rather he is more reality based l. Everyone claims their position is reality based.
But still..I dont like a paranoia tendency to call anyone people disagree with a Russian bot etc.
It has parallels on parts of the farther left which sees Israel and AIPAC everywhere.
I take the position of Dr.House that ..well a version of that..which is that all these fuckers are out to break the planet and Oljfz9580ms purse.
I jest..but as a scientist, I find some of that style of thinking which seems derived from lobbying groups, spooks, sports fans and gamers more than honest journalists/scientists/activists grating.
It is likd Facebooks dumb emotion contagion.
These creeps wish they had that kind of influence. They have a dazed, undereducated captive populace online and exaggerate loose associations found in data swamps and with ai in there as well.
I tend to think these are all distractions from the economic war of attrition/the destruction of earth and that installing more corporate friendly politicians (whether it is that creep Reid Hoffman or Peter Thiel) is the end game.
I am not American so, it is not really..My preoccupation is more how those foul tech methodologies and these Californian Ideology driven bs things are now annoying me all the way over here in the Global South.