Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LetMyPeopleVote

(164,460 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:33 PM 23 hrs ago

Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture

Source: VOX

Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D., the case where the Trump administration asks the justices to neutralize the Convention Against Torture, is unlike some of the more high-profile deportation cases that reached the Supreme Court — such as the unlawful deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador — in that no one really questions that the immigrants at the heart of this case may be deported somewhere.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/scotus/416163/trump-supreme-court-deport-immigration-convention-torture



Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture www.vox.com/scotus/41616...

Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser.bsky.social) 2025-06-09T22:49:49.676Z
31 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote 23 hrs ago OP
Wow hildegaard28 23 hrs ago #1
I know. I'm going, seriously? ananda 22 hrs ago #5
I never would have imaged a US president requesting this abomination. sinkingfeeling 23 hrs ago #2
That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. slightlv 21 hrs ago #13
Among the cruelest actions they want nt duhneece 22 hrs ago #3
Darker shades of Bush and AG Alberto Gonzales. republianmushroom 22 hrs ago #4
And Dick Cheney. ananda 22 hrs ago #6
Never forget Bush and Cheney hand in this. republianmushroom 22 hrs ago #7
Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression. OMGWTF 21 hrs ago #14
... trusty elf 13 hrs ago #19
Color me not the least bit surprised or shocked. Solly Mack 22 hrs ago #8
W T F . uppityperson 22 hrs ago #9
They are delightfully charming people, aren't they? Kablooie 21 hrs ago #10
Of course he did. Trump is trying to create a full-blown totalitarian dictatorship. Martin68 21 hrs ago #11
Sick mofos. All of 'em. OMGWTF 21 hrs ago #12
Utterly disgusting karin_sj 20 hrs ago #15
Why the fuck doesn't he just die already? Orrex 18 hrs ago #16
Just to fuck with Vance get the red out 10 hrs ago #27
I am holding bdamomma 9 hrs ago #29
Really, I'm done angrychair 18 hrs ago #17
I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties... róisín_dubh 14 hrs ago #18
Will his shit never end? William769 12 hrs ago #20
some day bdamomma 9 hrs ago #30
... William769 6 hrs ago #31
going full Pinochet I see nt Javaman 11 hrs ago #21
Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this? Vinca 11 hrs ago #22
So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme nuxvomica 10 hrs ago #23
Watch as "Christians" fail to speak out on this perdita9 10 hrs ago #24
Looking the other way Canada Kid 10 hrs ago #25
Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners. Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #26
So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states bucolic_frolic 10 hrs ago #28

slightlv

(5,733 posts)
13. That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 10:03 PM
21 hrs ago

I still believe they should be tried for war crimes. Trump isn't even using the illusion of war to justify his sadistic desire. And I don't doubt for a minute these "techniques" will be turned against American Citizens sooner rather than later. And we must insist on a Truth and Reconciliation committee when we finally get him out of the WH. Him, and his nazi friends.

OMGWTF

(4,756 posts)
14. Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 10:06 PM
21 hrs ago

That this mofo and his puppet GeeDumbya escaped a trial in The Hague for war crimes is a travesty.

Kablooie

(18,911 posts)
10. They are delightfully charming people, aren't they?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:42 PM
21 hrs ago

Watch the Stepford SCOTUS give him the power to Hitlerize everything in the US.

get the red out

(13,797 posts)
27. Just to fuck with Vance
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:38 AM
10 hrs ago

Trump will survive by his evil will alone, and to fuck with J. D.

angrychair

(10,697 posts)
17. Really, I'm done
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:05 AM
18 hrs ago

This is fucking insane. I mean batshit crazy fucking insane.
This asshole is literally asking for the ability to torture people or have them tortured in another country. What the hell is going on. This is not the world I hoped for as a kid. Literally the opposite. I am at a total loss for words.

róisín_dubh

(12,027 posts)
18. I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:23 AM
14 hrs ago

so why stop with this one (just in case)
For fucks sake this is nightmare fuel and will basically negate any of the country conditions reports I do for asylum seekers (many of them invoke the CAT in their asylum claims and rightly so).
Jesus fucking christ on a motorbike.

Vinca

(52,183 posts)
22. Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:53 AM
11 hrs ago

Or how much it will cost. Trump's going to have to go back to wringing out the cult for money since Elmo's gone.

nuxvomica

(13,358 posts)
23. So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:15 AM
10 hrs ago

Which is a form of fraud and therefore not a legal alternative.

Canada Kid

(185 posts)
25. Looking the other way
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:31 AM
10 hrs ago

So this is what your CHRISTIAN WHITE GLOVED BIBLE PUNCHING ULTRA RIGHT WING MUTHA FUCKAS VOTED FOR!!! The Christian vote...."God spoke to Trump and asked him to be president"...remember they said this shit! And now there is SILENCE!!! Self righteous bastards every one!!

Irish_Dem

(70,564 posts)
26. Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:34 AM
10 hrs ago

bucolic_frolic

(50,745 posts)
28. So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:52 AM
10 hrs ago

to do the dirty work. Are we back to waterboarding, or progressing to thumbscrews and the rack?

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Trump asks the Supreme Co...