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dsc

(53,468 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 07:12 PM Monday

Graham Platner had more red flags than a prison soccer match

but Mills was old. It is almost as if rampant ageism is a bad idea. All I can say is thank God for Jenny Racicot. Now finally, after literally getting hit by the broadside of a barn, people had decided that maybe, just maybe, a man with a NAZI tattoo, who repeatedly denigrated rape victims, African Americans, the police, gay people and God alone knows who else, and who was accused by multiple women of being abusive to them, might be unsuitable for the Senate.

Mills' midwife could have been Eve and I would have voted for her over him.

I sincerely hope we have learned our lesson.

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Graham Platner had more red flags than a prison soccer match (Original Post) dsc Monday OP
Some have not. drray23 Monday #1
Some don't tar and feather people until everything comes out. paleotn Monday #9
Here EdmondDantes_ Monday #13
And you trust Republican op research that much? My mind isn't made up. That's my point. paleotn Monday #21
Nice moving the goalposts there obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #46
Maine party leadership? RoseTrellis 18 hrs ago #75
Whatever happened to "Believe all women" ? MichMan Monday #17
See Eric Swalwell. People only 'trust' women who fill their narrative. Maru Kitteh Monday #20
Lying can be universal given the right incentives. paleotn Monday #23
So ya know, thx for stopping by and offering a radiant display Maru Kitteh Monday #24
Not in the slightest. Read the words and comprehend what I'm saying. paleotn Monday #30
Seriously, even after shown rhe excellent evidence obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #47
Honestly, during election season, I don't necessarily believe anyone. paleotn Monday #22
There is evidence obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #45
Give. It. Up. Time has been called. ColoringFool 22 hrs ago #59
Some of the posts here have been appalling obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #44
He needs to step down, whether innocent or guilty. Doodley Monday #2
Correct swong19104 Monday #5
Character not fitting? 31st Street Bridge 22 hrs ago #52
Is this supposed to be satire? Bluetus Monday #11
He's a politician. We must win that seat. yardwork Monday #29
He already won the primary. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. Bluetus Monday #31
What is more important? Him or America? We have to win these midterms and hold Trump to account or we all all fucked! Doodley Monday #33
The truth is the most important thing. Bluetus Monday #35
The truth is not all that important in politics. yardwork 23 hrs ago #42
Whether true or not, these allegations damage ALL Democratic candidates. Doodley 16 hrs ago #81
Nope. yardwork 23 hrs ago #41
And what if these allegations are completely false, created by foreign agencies in support of Trump's regime? Bluetus 20 hrs ago #69
Do you want use to win the midterm election? How are we going to get our message across if one candidate is constantly Doodley Monday #32
Yep, it was clear that more accusations LisaL Monday #3
Well said Grim Chieftain Monday #4
Now that we have destroyed Platner, could we refocus our attention on the current Nazi, child rapist, racist, grifter .. 1WorldHope Monday #14
I am right there Grim Chieftain Monday #19
No one destroyed Platner but Platner obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #48
Who is we? yardwork 22 hrs ago #53
Platner did thos to himself. redstatebluegirl 19 hrs ago #71
Maine voters decide duckworth969 Monday #6
But donations come from many areas of the country Keepthesoulalive Monday #8
I also can't envision any prominent democrats willing to campaign for him. LisaL Monday #12
True. Other politicians might... but no Democrats. QueerDuck 22 hrs ago #62
I get that duckworth969 Monday #15
True. The people have to decide. calimary Monday #16
I'm in maine. I talked to my Rep, who rescinded her endorsement. She GPV 22 hrs ago #54
Yea, your state just walked right into this one, didn't it? LisaL 22 hrs ago #58
Ayuh. Some of us tried to slow things down with Platner, GPV 21 hrs ago #64
There are progressives who don't come with baggage. yardwork 22 hrs ago #63
It never sat right with me, a non-office holder for Senator. GPV 21 hrs ago #65
It's very unusual. yardwork 21 hrs ago #66
I truly believe the fact that he's a shit-kicker and loudly GPV 21 hrs ago #68
Funny how this particular train of argument NEVER RAISED ITS RIDICULOUS HEAD..... ColoringFool 22 hrs ago #60
Maine's D leadship RoseTrellis 18 hrs ago #76
That is true yet it still affects the whole country nini 18 hrs ago #78
Tough choices for Maine Nasruddin Monday #7
Well they control the house, the senate, the White House and the judiciary. BannonsLiver Monday #26
Ones a rapist the other is old Boo1 Monday #39
😉 ColoringFool 22 hrs ago #61
Wow. Joinfortmill Monday #10
Mills was unpopular with Dem voters for reasons far beyond just her age. Mills the centrist is pro filibuster, she is Celerity Monday #18
Still better than Platner obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #49
There were better choices than either Mills or Platner, but once again Celerity 22 hrs ago #57
Lots of folks here still accusing the woman mcar Monday #25
Republicans would've dropped this one in October Sympthsical Monday #38
Like the info here about Swalwell dropped in time obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #51
And Swalwell was even worse Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #73
Some of the posts about this are sickeninh obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #50
Is soccer a thing in American prisons? I had no idea. BannonsLiver Monday #27
Are red flags a thing in soccer? Prairie Gates Monday #37
I mean, shouldn't the SS tattoo have been the first clue? nycbos Monday #28
This is not important, but what is that metaphor? Music Man Monday #34
Some folks would be surprised to see just how civilized people can be JoseBalow Yesterday #40
You're setting up a false choice Sympthsical Monday #36
Well said! obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #43
I think the question Democrats should ask is why Platner won such overwhelming support from Maine's Democratic voters. sop 22 hrs ago #55
No question about that. yardwork 21 hrs ago #67
+1 leftstreet 20 hrs ago #70
There are plenty here that disagree and will never learn Ziggy Beans 18 hrs ago #74
Voters are falling for lip service more and more. We need to VET candidates nini 17 hrs ago #79
Oh, my, you have awakened the "Not 'literally'!" dragon within me! 😇 🐲....... ColoringFool 22 hrs ago #56
But ageism IS okey if you're aiming it at a Republican. progressoid 18 hrs ago #72
My brother in Christ, let me put this into perspective for you: CrimsonBight 18 hrs ago #77
There will be more like him JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #80

drray23

(8,874 posts)
1. Some have not.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 07:16 PM
Monday

You still have people here on DU supporting him , willing to say that lady is lying and is a plant. Its despicable. There are documented contemporary witnesses ( like her psychiatric and other people she told) from back in 2023 .

Unless she has a time machine, this was obviously not a plant.
Apparently, for some, having moral integrity is only when it's convenient . They are making the exact same arguments Trump supporters are regarding his victims.

paleotn

(23,220 posts)
9. Some don't tar and feather people until everything comes out.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:40 PM
Monday

Let the evidence speak for itself. Do you have links to contemporary witnesses? Where's the documentation?

paleotn

(23,220 posts)
21. And you trust Republican op research that much? My mind isn't made up. That's my point.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:31 PM
Monday

Lets see where this goes.

obamanut2012

(29,799 posts)
46. Nice moving the goalposts there
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:36 AM
22 hrs ago

When showed the evidence.

It isn't "Republican " evidence, it's actual evidence. Racicot also is a Democrat.

RoseTrellis

(214 posts)
75. Maine party leadership?
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:03 PM
18 hrs ago

The states leadership is using op research now, or are they fully aware how serious this actually is?


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MichMan

(17,738 posts)
17. Whatever happened to "Believe all women" ?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:04 PM
Monday

Was it just a soundbite to be used when it was convenient?

Maru Kitteh

(32,151 posts)
20. See Eric Swalwell. People only 'trust' women who fill their narrative.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:29 PM
Monday

Which is of course, disingenuous at best.

paleotn

(23,220 posts)
23. Lying can be universal given the right incentives.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:43 PM
Monday

With control of the US Senate in play, there's plenty of incentive.

paleotn

(23,220 posts)
30. Not in the slightest. Read the words and comprehend what I'm saying.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:11 PM
Monday

Think about it rationally, not emotionally.

paleotn

(23,220 posts)
22. Honestly, during election season, I don't necessarily believe anyone.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:42 PM
Monday

Too much at stake with control of the Senate in the balance. That puts a different spin on a case of he said / she said. So, I'm holding judgment until I see how Platner defends this. If he f's it up. If he admits to it. If it's what I feared from his campaign early on, i.e., amateurish stuff, then he's cooked. In that case, if we want to "burn" him, I'll throw wood on the fire too. Until then, we'll see.

swong19104

(687 posts)
5. Correct
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:26 PM
Monday

We’re not here to adjudicate a crime. We’re here to decide whether the character of this person is fitting for the role of a senator. His character is not fitting for the role of a senator.

31st Street Bridge

(273 posts)
52. Character not fitting?
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:47 AM
22 hrs ago

You've just described most of Congress, all of the cabinet and certainly the chief executive.

Bluetus

(3,393 posts)
11. Is this supposed to be satire?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:48 PM
Monday

He needs to step down, and it doesn't matter is he is innocent? What kind of twisted bullshit is that?

yardwork

(70,163 posts)
29. He's a politician. We must win that seat.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:05 PM
Monday

If he can't win he needs to step down. Simple.

Bluetus

(3,393 posts)
31. He already won the primary. It isn't as simple as you make it sound.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:19 PM
Monday

Be that as it may, you are saying that it does not matter what the truth is. If somebody simply makes an allegation, then he should be treated as guilty. I find that attitude just plain wrong, considering how many dark forces are operating to manipulate our elections. If he is guilty, then I certainly want him out, but nobody here seems even the slightest bit interested in finding out the truth, or even taking a few days to hear his side of the story.

Doodley

(12,175 posts)
33. What is more important? Him or America? We have to win these midterms and hold Trump to account or we all all fucked!
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:23 PM
Monday

Bluetus

(3,393 posts)
35. The truth is the most important thing.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:21 PM
Monday

What would you think if 6 months from now, we found out that some combination of the GOP and foreign agencies were behind a smear campaign that was based on nothing at all?

yardwork

(70,163 posts)
41. Nope.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:12 AM
23 hrs ago

It's up to the justice system to decide if he's guilty or not.

It's up to the Democratic Party to decide whether we want him as a candidate.

Those are two completely different things.

Bluetus

(3,393 posts)
69. And what if these allegations are completely false, created by foreign agencies in support of Trump's regime?
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 09:46 AM
20 hrs ago

Doodley

(12,175 posts)
32. Do you want use to win the midterm election? How are we going to get our message across if one candidate is constantly
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:21 PM
Monday

dominating the headlines with these allegations? Republicans will milk this for all they can. And do you think even Democratic voters across the nation care more about him or about their own lives, their own financial situation and healthcare? How are we going to tackle the "they are as bad on both sides," argument? These allegations are damaging for all Democratic Party candidates.

He will be demonized by the right and portrayed as worse than Trump and representative of all Democrats. Yes, we could fight for his right not to pay a price for things that are unproven, but in doing so we will lose the midterms. We need to be attacking Republicans over healthcare, over the economy, over abuses of power, over Iran, etc., not spending our time defending one candidate from attacks.

LisaL

(48,176 posts)
3. Yep, it was clear that more accusations
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 07:22 PM
Monday

were coming.
We were just hoping to avoid this exact situation that pretty clearly was going to happen, by pointing that out.

Grim Chieftain

(2,396 posts)
4. Well said
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:24 PM
Monday

We need to hold our candidates to the same standards we hold Republicans. We are better than this.

1WorldHope

(2,252 posts)
14. Now that we have destroyed Platner, could we refocus our attention on the current Nazi, child rapist, racist, grifter ..
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:54 PM
Monday

... and thief? How about we all go out in the streets and raise a little hell like the Albanian people are doing about our "president"!

Grim Chieftain

(2,396 posts)
19. I am right there
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:06 PM
Monday

We need to ditch the "no kings" mantra and protest him for what he is, a criminal who is corrupt and who is destroying this country each and every day. The protests need to be nationwide, in each and every state.

I am a baby boomer who grew up with the mantra "The people, united, will never be defeated".i still cling to that.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,491 posts)
8. But donations come from many areas of the country
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:40 PM
Monday

People can decide to close their purses. The dem party will not donate to him, so really we are involved. We need a serious senator from Maine who will work for the American people, not one with zipper problems.

duckworth969

(1,471 posts)
15. I get that
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:59 PM
Monday

But Maine has the final say. Those of us on the outside can fret and be profoundly upset and angry.

I know I’m extremely disappointed and frustrated. But it’s out of my hands.

If he backs out, the $20 I sent him will be for nothing. But that’s the risk I took.

For selfish reasons, I hope Graham sticks. If he doesn’t, I fear that seat is lost to us.

calimary

(91,653 posts)
16. True. The people have to decide.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:01 PM
Monday

And we absolutely need a serious senator representing us. In Maine, AND as one of the 100 Senators representing us.

GPV

(73,457 posts)
54. I'm in maine. I talked to my Rep, who rescinded her endorsement. She
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:59 AM
22 hrs ago

does not back the idea of Mills. She knows better than anyone how hard it's been for progressives to work with this governor. Her hope, and mine, is that we can put someone else forward. The one thing they need to have learned from Platner is to speak the truth about Trump, loudly.

Having said that, though, this race is See-Saw Susie's to lose. Just like always.

LisaL

(48,176 posts)
58. Yea, your state just walked right into this one, didn't it?
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:08 AM
22 hrs ago

One could see this coming a mile away.

GPV

(73,457 posts)
64. Ayuh. Some of us tried to slow things down with Platner,
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:42 AM
21 hrs ago

but just like here, there's too much frantic anger for reason to get through.

yardwork

(70,163 posts)
63. There are progressives who don't come with baggage.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:25 AM
22 hrs ago

One day maybe we'll learn more about how Platner rose to such prominence so quickly. He's never held any office.



yardwork

(70,163 posts)
66. It's very unusual.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:47 AM
21 hrs ago

He had to have a lot of funding right out of the gate.

Lots of Democrats call for progressive goals but don't get that kind of attention and support.

GPV

(73,457 posts)
68. I truly believe the fact that he's a shit-kicker and loudly
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:50 AM
21 hrs ago

tells the truth about Trump is what got him where he is. We need someone else who can do that, but who also has good character and the political background to hit the ground running in DC. In other words, we need another Bernie.

ColoringFool

(1,517 posts)
60. Funny how this particular train of argument NEVER RAISED ITS RIDICULOUS HEAD.....
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:13 AM
22 hrs ago

UNTIL THIS POL AND A COUPLE ADMONITIONS BY SOME DU POSTERS WHO SOMEHOW GLOMMED ONTO "AUTHORITY" THEY DO NOT POSSESS.

You DO realize you must henceforth be as Caesar's Wife, with zero comments about the politics of the 49 states in which you do not reside?

RoseTrellis

(214 posts)
76. Maine's D leadship
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:06 PM
18 hrs ago

The state party has spoken.
Even worse is Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, who chairs the powerful Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, also called on Platner to "immediately withdraw" from the race in a joint statement.

"The DSCC will not invest in the Maine Senate race if Platner remains on the ballot," Schumer and Gillibrand said.


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nini

(16,837 posts)
78. That is true yet it still affects the whole country
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:26 PM
18 hrs ago

It's the senate not a statewide office.

So, people outside of Maine can sure as hell have opinions on things that will indeed affect them and the future of this country.

Nasruddin

(1,318 posts)
7. Tough choices for Maine
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:35 PM
Monday

I would not have voted for Mills either. I personally have been done with gerontocrats since the mid 2010's.
The party has to do a better job of organizing candidates, keeping problematic people and old warhorses from getting nominations.
Look what happened to the Republicans.

BannonsLiver

(21,152 posts)
26. Well they control the house, the senate, the White House and the judiciary.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:48 PM
Monday

I’m not sure there’s much of a case to be made that things went poorly for them the last time around.

Celerity

(55,527 posts)
18. Mills was unpopular with Dem voters for reasons far beyond just her age. Mills the centrist is pro filibuster, she is
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:06 PM
Monday

anti-decriminalisation for small personal use amounts of drugs, she is anti red-flag laws for guns, she has vetoed collective bargaining rights (so is anti-union to a noticiable degree), vetoed a moratorium on data centers, vetoed wealth taxes, vetoed protections for renters, and vetoed some tribal sovereignty laws, etc. Those are unpopular stances and actions inside our Party.

Celerity

(55,527 posts)
57. There were better choices than either Mills or Platner, but once again
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:08 AM
22 hrs ago

leadership at Maine Dem state Party and also US Dem Senate level failed to either support and/or recruit them. They instead hitched their wagon to Mills, who took multiple actions and had multiple stances that are and were very unpopular within our Party. I was saying that for months here. It was a bad electoral decision in terms of countering Platner.

That was shown to be the case by the Maine voters themselves in the primary (and that includes evidence both before and after Mills suspended her campaign and even with Platner mired in previous scandals).

mcar

(46,713 posts)
25. Lots of folks here still accusing the woman
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:47 PM
Monday

Saying she's being paid by Republicans. Staying she needs to provide more proof. Etc, etc.

The poor, poor white man must be believed at all costs, it appears.

Sympthsical

(11,338 posts)
38. Republicans would've dropped this one in October
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:35 PM
Monday

Not before the deadline to replace him. If there were maneuvers, it came from inside the house. Not that I think there were. I think the woman involved probably agonized over the decision, but she pulled the lever before a course correction became impossible.

Honestly, I think it took a lot of courage, because I don't think she wanted this kind of attention. What woman in her situation does?

obamanut2012

(29,799 posts)
51. Like the info here about Swalwell dropped in time
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:44 AM
22 hrs ago

We immediately united behind Becerra.

Republican oppo drops in September or October, not in time to possibly save things

Sympthsical

(11,338 posts)
73. And Swalwell was even worse
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 11:49 AM
18 hrs ago

Because he was a known quantity. His behavior was so well known as an open secret for years, my politically connected friends here in California wondered if the party had been seized by a fit of collective madness in promoting him. Even before the assault allegations, he had a reputation for being a sex pest at best.

Platner, for all his many red flags, was unknown enough for a lot of people to extend the benefit of the doubt. When he won, my feeling was, "I really hope there's not something else," where deep down, you kind of know there's probably something else. People were willing to overlook an asshole to get the policies we need.

But at least we do seem to have a bright, bold line at rape (various internet individuals excepting).

I hated everything about this primary. But it is what it is now.

nycbos

(6,751 posts)
28. I mean, shouldn't the SS tattoo have been the first clue?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:58 PM
Monday

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Music Man

(1,692 posts)
34. This is not important, but what is that metaphor?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:24 PM
Monday

Do you mean red cards? Are prison soccer matches more questionable than other prison activities?

Sorry, I just had to ask

JoseBalow

(9,970 posts)
40. Some folks would be surprised to see just how civilized people can be
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:43 AM
Yesterday

when disrespect brings real and immediate consequences.

Sympthsical

(11,338 posts)
36. You're setting up a false choice
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:33 PM
Monday

The party leadership looked at an octogenarian first term and thought, "Voters will love this!"

Voters did not love this. Democratic voters increasingly do not love this. President Biden faced 2/3 of Democratic voters telling him for over a year running for one more term was a bad idea.

It's almost as if running people who should be retired in front of an increasingly Millennial and Gen Z electorate is not a winning decision.

You can bemoan it all you want, but we should be in the business of making choices to win elections. If the party leadership did not want Platner or another progressive, they needed to recruit better choices.

They did not. That's on them.

And the voters let them know it.

sop

(20,045 posts)
55. I think the question Democrats should ask is why Platner won such overwhelming support from Maine's Democratic voters.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:00 AM
22 hrs ago

I believe it was his message. Platner passionately and unambiguously argued for all the things Democrats used to stand for, but don't any longer. He said the things rank and file Democrats wanted to hear, it's what they want to hear from all their candidates. That's the lesson Democrats need to learn.

Ziggy Beans

(87 posts)
74. There are plenty here that disagree and will never learn
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 11:56 AM
18 hrs ago

It's why we are on the verge of losing our democracy

nini

(16,837 posts)
79. Voters are falling for lip service more and more. We need to VET candidates
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:32 PM
17 hrs ago

Saying what people want to hear does not automatically make someone a stellar candidate.

Research and vet people. It's not the first time people were fooled. Look at fetterman for God's sake.

Stop getting played by this nonsense. Results matter and find the person who has a track record closest to what you want. That should include people who aren't hiding this kind of baggage.

ColoringFool

(1,517 posts)
56. Oh, my, you have awakened the "Not 'literally'!" dragon within me! 😇 🐲.......
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:06 AM
22 hrs ago

I agree with every other word, though! 😁👍

My particular bugaboo was his alleged naivete regarding his tattoo. Does this guy LOOK LIKE he was unaware?! More like he depended on "plausible deniability."

progressoid

(53,603 posts)
72. But ageism IS okey if you're aiming it at a Republican.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 11:30 AM
18 hrs ago

I can't recall many people here saying we should back off of the ageism comments of say Donald Trump or Mitch McConnell.

CrimsonBight

(12 posts)
77. My brother in Christ, let me put this into perspective for you:
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:21 PM
18 hrs ago

Everyone who supported Graham Platner knew he was an alcoholic former Blackwater mercenary and Reddit shitposter with a fucking totenkopft tattooed on his chest and they still preferred him to Janet Mills.

Maybe the lesson is Mills wasn't the pick here, and Maine Dems should have run somebody more capable of competing with Platner.

JustAnotherGen

(38,246 posts)
80. There will be more like him
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 01:11 PM
17 hrs ago

There are a lot of people on the Left who believe that the only way to take down the oligarchy patriarchy racism -

Is to elect someone cut from the same cloth as Platner.

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