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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKurt Vonnegut tells a story about Joseph Heller's lesson to him about greed.
I posted this once before, but it's always relevant, with you know who haunting the world right now.
JOE HELLER
True story, Word of Honor: Joseph Heller, an important and funny writer now dead,
and I were at a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island.
I said, Joe, how does it make you feel to know that our host only yesterday
may have made more money than your novel Catch-22 has earned in its entire history?
And Joe said, Ive got something he can never have.
And I said, What on earth could that be, Joe?
And Joe said, The knowledge that Ive got enough.
Not bad! Rest in peace!
― Kurt Vonnegut
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7345831-joe-heller-true-story-word-of-honor-joseph-heller-an
ananda
(35,502 posts)Why isn't it good enough to have enough?
Johonny
(26,588 posts)But if it is money you horde, people call it a virtue in America.
TheRickles
(3,532 posts)twodogsbarking
(19,326 posts)Good brothers.
paleotn
(22,722 posts)I've got enough is a rarity in this world. But a state happier than any other.
popsdenver
(2,619 posts)Vonnegut's book........................JAIL BIRD
My favorite book of his......light reading, very humorous in parts, basically about the earliest corporations, their actions, and continuing to modern times.......After the first chapter, it is hard to put down......
Timeflyer
(3,795 posts)popsdenver
(2,619 posts)on my designated bookshelf of favorites.............
On that shelf, I still have the copies of books I read in the 60's, along with additions like: Jailbird...., ETC.
My 60's books include: ANIMAL FARM, 1984, THE JUNGLE, THE UGLY AMERICAN, GRAPES OF WRATH.......
I have re-read all of them several times, over the past 46+ years, especially since 2016........
ancianita
(43,346 posts)Nasruddin
(1,301 posts)I guess you would say that in that worldview the demand for demand is inelastic (change in price of demand does nothing)
ancianita
(43,346 posts)Maraya1969
(23,564 posts)almost 80. What about all the money he stole during his life? He should be sitting pretty and not constantly thinking of new ways to steal from people.
I have enough to support me for the rest of my life as long as I am not an idiot. And I'm fine and grateful with that. I don't need new fancy cars or expensive clothes. But I have a relaxed attitude now and I don't worry about money for the future. It really is great to be good with enough.
Oh, I remember Wayne Dyer saying in one of his talks years ago, "Where is the peace in "More"?
surfered
(14,261 posts)Currently reading Slaughter House 5, 50 years later.
ShazamIam
(3,187 posts)patriotic all American kid into a total skeptic.
surfered
(14,261 posts)MLAA
(19,800 posts)mobeau69
(12,462 posts)KitFox
(596 posts)starts with: I have been called a Luddite. He tslks about the simple pleasure of going out to buy a large envelope and mailing it. He ends the chapter with: How beautiful it is to get up and go out and do something We are here on Earth to fart around Dont let anybody tell you any different. . The first page in poster form says: There is no reason good cant triumph over evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. ( A Man Without A Country. Seven Stories Press 2005)
Danmel
(5,802 posts)That the kids who bullied her and made fun of her purse and clothes (which were perfectly fine) would spend their whole lives looking over their shoulders to see if someone has something they don't and that they would never be content or grateful for what they had and that she was much better off than they were because she would know she had what she needed and enough of what she wanted to be satisfied
That worked.
pat_k
(13,838 posts)The research is pretty clear on this: wealth undermines compassion.
And it makes sense. We evolved to share. Hoarding community resources -- which is basically what amassing great wealth is -- undermines basic parts of what it is to be a feeling, connected, being.
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/does_wealth_reduce_compassion
In one study, we showed undergraduate students of different backgrounds pictures of kids with cancer. Students from lower-class backgrounds had a high vagus nerve response. But we didnt get much response at all in upper-class students. In fact, in every study weve done poorer people show a stronger vagus nerve response. To me, thats tough proof.
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Humans evolved to share. Were meant to share, thats how people survived in early hunter-gatherer societies. When you dont share, you get tremendous social inequality, and thats whats going on today.
This inequality affects peoples health, and it affects our greater public health. When we study the emotional profiles of people from lower class backgrounds, theres a lot of anxiety, a continual sense of being under threat, a sense of shame, a sense of being stigmatized. And thats bad for your body and bad for your health.
But in this country, most of our political leadersas well as those who influence themare wealthy. And, in general, the wealthier they are the less interested they are in policies that help the needy.
Studies found wealthier individuals are more likely to cut off drivers in traffic, take more candy intended for children, and exhibit unethical behavior in experiments.
If Schopenhauer is correct in his analysis that compassion is the basis of morality, than a lack of compassion would be highly correlated with a lack of morality... and studies like those discussed above appear to support this.
SupportSanity
(1,597 posts)I view these billionaires as addicts. And the people who support them as enablers.
Enablers are worse than addicts.
For an addict, it's never enough.
Always need more:
Booze
Dope
Sex
Winning
Sadism
God
...the list is endlist
calimary
(90,761 posts)The knowledge that Ive got enough. Words to live by!
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