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Swede

(39,547 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 10:57 AM Yesterday

The whole system is collapsing&everyone inside America can't envision a vastly different America being reborn

The interviewer continuing to prove the point of his guest: the whole system is collapsing and everyone inside America can’t envision a vastly different America being reborn on the other side of it.

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The whole system is collapsing&everyone inside America can't envision a vastly different America being reborn (Original Post) Swede Yesterday OP
Actually it's up to us, up to "We the People" to... RobertDevereaux Yesterday #1
Well if you read "The Fourth Turning" Arthur_Frain Yesterday #2
Exceptionalism. Wouldn't it be so nice to relax from cbabe Yesterday #3
The billionaire propaganda masters are in complete control Mysterian Yesterday #4
I don't think people get how in control of the media the Right Wing is Johnny2X2X Yesterday #7
American Empire is gone Wild blueberry Yesterday #5
I told a right wing relative this same thing a year ago and he didn't understand what I meant. progressoid Yesterday #6
It's equivalent to the collapse of the Soviet Union. thought crime Yesterday #8
I, for one, would love to see the death of American exceptionalism. It's primary use is as a conservative weapon against Martin68 23 hrs ago #9

RobertDevereaux

(2,038 posts)
1. Actually it's up to us, up to "We the People" to...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:05 AM
Yesterday

... to "envision a vastly different America being reborn on the other side of it" and to make it happen.

Our work's cut out for us!

Arthur_Frain

(2,373 posts)
2. Well if you read "The Fourth Turning"
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:06 AM
Yesterday

That’s exactly what it says is going to happen.

I thought it was odd in Neil’s revisit to the first book, he seemed to reach the conclusion that we’d reached the crisis and were headed down the other side. I thought “that’s odd, because I still recognize this shit.”

I tend to agree, I think the America 5 years from now will be something we just didn’t see coming. Or at least that’s what I hope because what I see coming is ugly as hell. Can we pull a rabbit out of our hat sometime soon?

cbabe

(6,658 posts)
3. Exceptionalism. Wouldn't it be so nice to relax from
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:10 AM
Yesterday

all the populism and triumphalism and join the human race.

Mysterian

(6,512 posts)
4. The billionaire propaganda masters are in complete control
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:10 AM
Yesterday

thanks to monopolization of the mass media. If sanity ever returns to the USA, we must treat propaganda (and gullibility) as a disease, and take solid measures to control it The First Amendment cannot be used to protect virulent lies across the broad spectrum of mass media.

https://www.freepress.net/who-owns-media

Johnny2X2X

(24,224 posts)
7. I don't think people get how in control of the media the Right Wing is
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:49 AM
Yesterday

There are pockets of real news, but 80% is propaganda now. Even articles and segments critical of the administration are tempered with propaganda that gives every bit of leeway to Trump and his regime. Very few are calling his actions what they actually are most of the time.

Wild blueberry

(8,305 posts)
5. American Empire is gone
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:25 AM
Yesterday

What I hope is that we can rebuild a post-empire America that is vital, compassionate, and thriving for all. Oh yeah, and may Justice rain down on all who tried to destroy our beloved country.

progressoid

(53,204 posts)
6. I told a right wing relative this same thing a year ago and he didn't understand what I meant.
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 11:49 AM
Yesterday

He truly believed we'd still be USA USA USA.

I haven't spoken to him since then. I wonder how he's rationalizing what's going on.

thought crime

(1,592 posts)
8. It's equivalent to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

The Soviet Union went out with a whimper but the collapse was extensive. Unfortunately, Russia did not restructure the political process as much as was necessary to complete a transition to democracy.

So far, the ongoing collapse of the American Empire has been gradual, but that could change to "all at once" at any moment. We're faced with the same problem as Russia, though. We need to reform the political process - the Constitution - to support a full democracy. Right now we're going in the opposite direction, but the collapse has not been completed.

Martin68

(27,776 posts)
9. I, for one, would love to see the death of American exceptionalism. It's primary use is as a conservative weapon against
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 03:42 PM
23 hrs ago

liberal and progressive policies.

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