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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuebec enforces secularism, bans street prayers, prayer rooms in universities, wearing of religious symbols by educators
https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/quebec-passes-law-banning-street-prayers-prayer-rooms-in-universities-cegeps/Quebec passes law banning street prayers, prayer rooms in universities, CEGEPs
The Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) super-minister of identity, Jean-François Roberge, has just passed his bill to strengthen secularism.
Municipalities will be able to authorize them, but only under certain criteria. The new law will also ban the wearing of religious symbols by daycare educators. The government is also extending this ban to teachers and staff at private schools.
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However, there will be a grandfather clause for employees hired before Nov. 27, 2025. The full-face veil will be banned in daycare centres, CEGEPs, and universities for both those receiving services and those providing them.
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The Legault government is also signalling the end of the road for subsidized private religious schools. These schools will have three years to stop selecting students and teachers based on their religious affiliation and to cease teaching religious content during school hours, otherwise they will lose access to public funds.
Religious activities may still take place in these schools, but only outside of school hours. They must also be optional and not funded by the state.
The minister is also putting an end to prayer rooms in CEGEPs and universities.
The Legault government is thus strengthening its Bill 21 on secularism, which prohibits the wearing of religious symbols by government employees in positions of authority, including judges, police officers, and teachers.
applegrove
(132,267 posts)Spazito
(55,573 posts)It may well make it all the way up to Canada's Supreme Court.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,266 posts)The province already invoked the Notwithstanding Clause to ignore the ruling, unless this is a new law.
Spazito
(55,573 posts)and it looks like they are using the notwithstanding clause to include this addition so, yes, it will not go before the courts, unfortunately.
From the article:
"The Legault government is thus strengthening its Bill 21 on secularism, which prohibits the wearing of religious symbols by government employees in positions of authority, including judges, police officers, and teachers.
Once again, Quebec is shielding its law from legal challenges with the notwithstanding clause."
wnylib
(26,054 posts)like judges, police, and teachers in public schools.
But private schools? So are nuns and priests forbidden to wear a cross in Catholic schools? Must they wear street clothes instead of habits, cassocks, and priest's collars inside their church run schools? OTOH, I can agree with the government not funding schools that teach religious doctrine. That's not the government's job.
Spazito
(55,573 posts)On the one hand, it smacks of authoritarianism given this is also a province that demands the use of French over English in nearly every walk of life.
On the other hand, when it comes to children, I do think public schools should be religion-free given the schools are paid for by taxpayers.
Private schools that are not subsidized by tax payers should not be governed by this, they set their own criteria and parents can choose to send their children there or not.
I am not Catholic. I grew up in the Lutheran Church. in PA public schools when I was a child, the law required teachers to begin the school day by reading a chapter from the King James Bible. My Catholic friends objected to it. So did Jewish students, who were numerous in one of the high schools in town.
They celebrated when the SC ruled that the PA law was unconstitutional.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,266 posts)But small crosses are OK.
Unless this is a new law, it was overturned by the Canadian Supreme Court, but the provincial government invoked to the Notwithstanding Clause to ignore the ruling.
eppur_se_muova
(41,968 posts)France has long outlawed any display of religious symbols by educators. No cross pendants for teach, comprenez-voux ?
Publicly funded institutions should be exclusively secular institutions.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,287 posts)Large groups doing their praying in the street..happening in Europe too
eppur_se_muova
(41,968 posts)I can see a pastor, rabbi, priest etc. speaking at a protest being used as an excuse to shut it down.
If it's praying just to put on a big public display of religious fervor, I say treat it as any "street takeover". But the challenge is drawing the line between the two.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
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harumph
(3,287 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,755 posts)I rather live under this than the Christian Nationalist bullshit the state of Texas is shoving down my throat on a daily basis.
My plan to one day move to Québec remains resolute!
Boo1
(358 posts)Both are tyrany.
JI7
(93,632 posts)and wants to limit others.
The thing in Quebec applies to all religions. And it doesn't ban individuals in their own l8fe doing what they want.
LostOne4Ever
(9,755 posts)It does not take away drivers license or passports from people who got them legitimately:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kansas-revoked-drivers-licenses-1700-transgender-residents-rcna262120
https://www.them.us/story/trump-administration-passports-trans-nonbinary-x-marker-invalid
It does not profile people using driver license ids:
https://www.advocate.com/news/texas-collects-gender-change-requests
It does not promote any religion or creed above others:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/05/24/ten-commandments-texas-schools-senate-bill-10/
It does not strip women of their rights to their own bodies:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/25/texas-trigger-law-abortion/
Strips kids of medical rights:
https://www.texastribune.org/2026/03/02/texas-transgender-health-care-minors-kids-mental-therapy/
Strips free speech rights:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/11/06/texas-drag-show-ban-appeal/
Put freaking bounties on peoples heads for taking a pee:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/odessa-tx-just-put-10000-bounties
Undo civil rights protections:
https://www.advocate.com/politics/arlington-texas-lgbtq-discrimination-vote
And more and more and more of this shit every freaking year
Québec sounds like a dream come true to this hell I have to live through.
fujiyamasan
(1,703 posts)Especially child care. But I think its a small number religiously affiliated daycares and schools that hire people wearing something like that anyways.
The street prayers sound like a nuisance, but like any form of peaceful protest, if theres a permit, I dont see the problem.
I dont care about headscarves or turbans. Neither should be disruptive in most situations, but I can see where a head covering could interfere with a safety helmet.
So many of these can be handled on a case by case basis, which is why Im typically not in favor of such blanket bans, even if Im generally sympathetic to the reasoning behind them and personally would prefer a more secular society.
JI7
(93,632 posts)much of a problem with it.