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RoseTrellis

(149 posts)
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:08 AM Yesterday

What's happening in Mexico

Horrible scenes coming out of Mexico as their Military engages the well-armed and funded Cartels..
How does this end? It seems for years that was a balance where government corruption and an unwillingness to take on the drug cartels led to them having some significant power and influence.
What I’m wondering is how does this end?
Will there be a return to the status quo, or is this the start of an ernest efforts to end their influence?
What role (if any) should the US play, especially considering the current administration has stated they want to return to the Monroe doctrine to control what happens in the hemisphere?
Will President Sheinbaum publicly ask for assistance from the US?

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CanonRay

(16,071 posts)
1. I have a friend trapped in a hotel in Puerto Vallarta
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:11 AM
Yesterday

She's with her daughter, and fortunately is fluent in Spanish. Still, scary shit.

Johnny2X2X

(23,930 posts)
2. This has happened there before
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:12 AM
Yesterday

It usually dies down in a week or so. The new cartel leader will strike some deals with the government and business will continue as usual.

Remember, no one loves the drug war as much as the cartels do. Their entire empires and fortunes are built on prohibition.

Mosby

(19,448 posts)
4. So what's the solution?
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:30 AM
Yesterday

Should we legalize heroin, methamphetamine and fentynal?

Yes or no.

Mosby

(19,448 posts)
7. The Mexican gov makes a good point.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:56 AM
Yesterday

The cartels exist because of the insatiable demand that Americans have for illegal drugs. The obvious solution is to legalize said drugs and let them be legally distributed. Then the cartels will wither up and die.

RoseTrellis

(149 posts)
8. Big difference between drugs
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:03 PM
Yesterday

I’d say there is a world of difference between drugs such as pot and the killers such as meth and fentanyl. No way any government would ever legalize those kinds of drugs, nor should they.

Easterncedar

(5,954 posts)
9. I thought that about pot here in Maine
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:04 PM
Yesterday

Illegal Chinese operations have moved in, brought in their own slave labor, poisoned and destroyed buildings and land and are selling pesticide-laced product.

Polybius

(21,732 posts)
6. The only way to stop them is to install a hardline, dictator strongman that puts drug dealers to death
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:54 AM
Yesterday

That would do it, but just to be clear, I am not suggesting that. Pinochet in Mexico would be like putting out a fire with a tsunami.

Mosby

(19,448 posts)
11. The story of El Aguila
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:11 PM
Yesterday

The small American surveillance plane took off from a Mexican navy base in Baja California and flew high across the Sea of Cortez. Charting a course for the Sierra Madre mountains — cartel territory — the aircraft did not appear on any flight trackers or public logs. An orb-shaped device about the size of a beach ball was mounted on the fuselage, bristling with sensors and antennas.

U.S. agents called it “the sniffer.”

The device was an experimental version of a mass spectrometer, used to identify chemicals. As the U.S. aircraft banked over the forested hills of Sinaloa state, it dipped lower, sampling the air for wafting fumes.

The sniffer, whose secret use in the skies over Mexico has never been reported, had been deployed by the Pentagon and the CIA to target heroin production sites in Afghanistan. By 2018, faced with deadly synthetic narcotics pouring across the U.S. border, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Customs and Border Protection and other U.S. agencies adapted it to go after Mexico’s clandestine drug labs, according to current and former American officials.

Waiting on the ground were the forces of the Americans’ most trusted ally in Mexico, a man more valuable to the DEA than any novel gadget. Adm. Marco Antonio Ortega Siu, the head of the navy special operations unit, had worked with the United States for nearly a decade.

Ortega Siu was known for his fearlessness — he and his men had taken down dozens of major traffickers, including Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán. But the admiral, a short, taciturn man with a shock of white hair, kept such a low profile that he was practically a ghost to the Mexican public. The Americans knew him by his code name, “El Águila.” The Eagle.

As the plane reached the target that day in August 2018, it confirmed a tip from DEA informants about the location of a lab. Once the surveillance was complete, Águila’s men swooped in.

Beneath dense foliage and plastic tarps, they found vats of solvents and barrels of precursor chemicals. Burlap sacks stuffed with methamphetamine filled 12-foot-deep pits. In all, they discovered an estimated 50 metric tons of crystal meth, one of the biggest seizures in Mexican history.

"It was incredible,” said Matt Donahue, who ran the DEA office in Mexico at the time. “We never thought meth could be produced in those amounts.”

The bust was a triumph for the tactical alliance between the United States and the Mexican navy’s special forces that for a decade had defined the nations’ anti-drug fight. It rested on a delicate division of labor. The United States provided technology and intelligence; Mexico furnished muscle and resolve.

Yet just months after the giant meth haul, that partnership began to unravel. A new Mexican leader rejected the $3 billion anti-narcotics agreement that had spanned three U.S. presidencies, known as the Mérida Initiative. Andrés Manuel López Obrador, a veteran leftist who took office in December 2018, argued that the drug war strategy had sent homicides spiraling in Mexico while failing to curb U.S. demand.

-snip-

This account, based on interviews with more than 30 current and former U.S. and Mexican officials, is the untold story of America’s most dependable drug war ally, and how the relationship with Mexico fell apart just as a river of synthetic drugs flooded the United States.

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AZJonnie

(3,409 posts)
15. Most would not use fentanyl or heroin if they could get oxycodone or hydromorphone as cheaply/easily, so not those
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:47 PM
Yesterday

There's also safer but still euphoric amphetamines than meth a lot of users would switch to if they were as available as meth. Dexedrine for example.

Which is to say there are some arguably valid harm-reduction strategies, with the billions currently used for interdiction to be re-focused instead on public health. So, heroin and fentanyl and methamphetamine specifically should probably not be "legal" but if similar, less dangerous analogs were, the vast majority would switch to the legal source, drastically cutting the market for the illegal and more dangerous forms.

There's also the argument for "freedom" generally, and the fact that since it's your own body, you should be able to imbibe what you want.

It'll never happen, though. We're lucky we even have methadone and buprenorphine as harm reduction (for now at least)

La Coliniere

(1,853 posts)
10. Damn. I was in that store just a couple years ago.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:06 PM
Yesterday

While there for the day off a cruise ship. We walked there to get some things to bring back to the ship.

OC375

(613 posts)
12. Are the skies secure?
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:15 PM
Yesterday

I thought I read the airports were now under Government control and there were helicopters patrolling the skies.

I doubt that what would unfold if Cartels shot down a USA-registered aircraft would be good for anyone.

Mysterian

(6,291 posts)
13. No government should allow criminal militias in their country
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:24 PM
Yesterday

The Mexican government needs to destroy the cartels.

dalton99a

(93,255 posts)
14. Sheinbaum might have to go Fujimori to defeat the cartels
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:28 PM
Yesterday

Fujimori did a great job restoring order in Peru. (Of course, he fucked up afterward)


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