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yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:45 PM 13 hrs ago

Heather Cox Richardson is so fucking brilliant!

She was on Velshi right now.

She and Ali were discussing the murder of Renee Nicole Good. She made a very important point about the way the shooting transpired, and the behavior of the federal agent Jonathan Ross.

We see from the recording on his phone - when he was being antagonistic and circling the vehicle, Renee said to him: "I'm not mad at you". She was acting in a way to de-escalate the situation. In doing so, she is actually the one in control.

Ross did not want her to be in control. He wanted to assert his control. So - he shot her.

HCR explained that this is classic authoritarian behavior.

HCR saw this dynamic for what it was. It is chilling. How dare you, a woman, assert control.

I will look for the video of the segment and post it when I retrieve it.

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Heather Cox Richardson is so fucking brilliant! (Original Post) yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago OP
Just saw this and totally agree LSparkle 13 hrs ago #1
And ... UpInArms 13 hrs ago #2
Great minds... surfered 13 hrs ago #4
Interesting that this should be canetoad 11 hrs ago #17
And that brought to my mind, PatSeg 10 hrs ago #29
This message was self-deleted by its author surfered 13 hrs ago #3
Facebook KentuckyWoman 12 hrs ago #5
Substack, I believe. mjvpi 12 hrs ago #6
And on YouTube SleeplessinSoCal 11 hrs ago #18
We subscribe and get an email every day. TNNurse 11 hrs ago #16
She is an important source of information and analysis. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #23
She's also on YouTube. Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #21
She does live chats, where she takes questions. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #22
HCR's podcast features an audio version of her "Letters from an American" Pinback 10 hrs ago #24
Rapist mentality SheltieLover 12 hrs ago #7
So sad. She appeared to be, and by all accounts whathehell 12 hrs ago #8
murdering ICE maliaSmith 12 hrs ago #9
I think she read him completely right! bfoxmatt 12 hrs ago #10
And afterward, when the mudering ICE Agent Ross said "fucking bitch" - that told us everything about him ms liberty 12 hrs ago #11
good evidence against him... state of mind. JudyM 10 hrs ago #31
Yes and especially if it was he KT2000 11 hrs ago #12
He's the only person within 20 feet dpibel 11 hrs ago #14
Thanks KT2000 9 hrs ago #35
HCR/HRC czarjak 11 hrs ago #13
Good analysis, but I will stickle BaronChocula 11 hrs ago #15
I don't disagree. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #19
Love her! She is documenting this entire sordid period for history Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #20
I say it, regularly - she is a national treasure. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #25
Agreed. It triggered his fragile machismo ego lostnfound 10 hrs ago #26
On what grounds was he telling her to get out of the car? Is he a traffic cop? lostnfound 10 hrs ago #27
A very good question. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #28
Good question. No authority and no grounds whatsoever. A professional law enforcement officer's take, not mine. summer_in_TX 1 hr ago #44
Every woman should learn about this. ananda 10 hrs ago #30
Females learn at an early age to keep their mouths shut...or else. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #32
Not all of them, obviously. ananda 10 hrs ago #33
I am older than Renee. My generation was more suppressed. yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #34
I have been thinking the same thing for DAYS now! Bought her last book, Maru Kitteh 7 hrs ago #36
He felt demasculinized and he wanted to show her who's boss. pacalo 7 hrs ago #37
Exactly. It was an emotional response. NH Ethylene 6 hrs ago #39
Clearly Ice-hat has been laughed-at Seinan Sensei 4 hrs ago #41
And all without thinking about his responses NH Ethylene 6 hrs ago #38
Some woman must have... BurnDoubt 6 hrs ago #40
I lay odds that he beats his wife. llmart 4 hrs ago #42
Micro penis vapor2 3 hrs ago #43

canetoad

(20,249 posts)
17. Interesting that this should be
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:46 PM
11 hrs ago

His first natural response. Blame her for getting herself shot in the face. Just like an abuser saying, 'You deserved it'.

PatSeg

(52,216 posts)
29. And that brought to my mind,
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:39 PM
10 hrs ago

what woman in his past did Renee remind him of? An ex wife or girlfriend? Or perhaps an overbearing mother?

Response to yellow dahlia (Original post)

KentuckyWoman

(7,374 posts)
5. Facebook
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 01:25 PM
12 hrs ago

I don't know where else she publishes, but she is in my facebook feed every day. I really like her too.

yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
23. She is an important source of information and analysis.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:18 PM
10 hrs ago

I am impressed with how hard she is working. She even does live chats, where people can ask questions.

yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
22. She does live chats, where she takes questions.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:17 PM
10 hrs ago

She is working hard. She is a national treasure.

Pinback

(13,505 posts)
24. HCR's podcast features an audio version of her "Letters from an American"
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:19 PM
10 hrs ago

which is part of my daily morning ritual. Always excellent and informative. She is one of the greatest American historians alive — and undoubtedly one of the greatest ever.

maliaSmith

(137 posts)
9. murdering ICE
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 01:58 PM
12 hrs ago

He video taped with his phone the whole thing including shooting her in the face 3 times and then called her a fucking bitch after he murdered her.

What no one is mentioning is there was a black man in L.A. who was also murdered by ICE (BP), and yes Trump is allowing the murder of US citizens just like Nixon did at Kent State. It's going to get much worse than better. If you didn't vote in 2024, here's a huge FU to you. You nonvoters caused us to suffer under Trump and the GOP.

bfoxmatt

(42 posts)
10. I think she read him completely right!
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:00 PM
12 hrs ago

Horrible excuses for men who take these jobs knowing what they involve and the more terrible ones who put all these plans (2025) together!

ms liberty

(10,977 posts)
11. And afterward, when the mudering ICE Agent Ross said "fucking bitch" - that told us everything about him
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:00 PM
12 hrs ago

The words, the tone and his actions were crystal clear.

KT2000

(21,961 posts)
12. Yes and especially if it was he
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:12 PM
11 hrs ago

who said "fucking bitch" as she was dead and her car rolled away.

dpibel

(3,786 posts)
14. He's the only person within 20 feet
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:20 PM
11 hrs ago

Immediately after he fired, the rest of the crew beat feat in retreat. He was all by himself.

And it wasn't a shouted epithet that was picked up from a distance. It was sotto voce.

BaronChocula

(4,042 posts)
15. Good analysis, but I will stickle
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:29 PM
11 hrs ago

Because I'm a stickler. I think this would have happened Had Renee Good not have said "I'm not mad at you." The record is rife with deputized thugs behaving like this. I do think authority has everything to do with it though. It fits more of a pattern of an unfit officer angry at someone "who just won't comply [with the demand she get out of the vehicle]." Her driving off is the affront to their "authority" that triggered the killer.

lostnfound

(17,414 posts)
26. Agreed. It triggered his fragile machismo ego
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:21 PM
10 hrs ago

Recently, after a conflict with a young man I know had settled, I said something to him to express my empathy for the difficulty he had experienced, like ‘I know you’ve been under pressure’ or “it was a hard day” or similar. He snapped back at me, highly irritated, with “I’m not apologizing!!”

It was sad and maddening at the same time. I was a woman trying to smooth over hurt feelings, and instead of accepting the small peace offering, he just got angry that I dared to talk to him as human-to-human.

Rene probably thought she was connecting as a human “I’m not mad at you” but the ICE man perceived it as an affront to his authority, dominance, control.

lostnfound

(17,414 posts)
27. On what grounds was he telling her to get out of the car? Is he a traffic cop?
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:22 PM
10 hrs ago

Are they doing crowd control? Aren’t they supposed to be solely focused on immigrants?

yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
28. A very good question.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:31 PM
10 hrs ago

I understand why a woman would not want to get out of a car, when confronted by these federal agents.

In recent months, we have seen numerous examples of women being dragged out of cars by these guys...for no reason at all. Did you notice they have a tactic whereby they pull the women's pants down. I saw one incident where they tore her sweatshirt off. I think it is a deliberate intimidation tactic.

summer_in_TX

(4,050 posts)
44. Good question. No authority and no grounds whatsoever. A professional law enforcement officer's take, not mine.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:56 AM
1 hr ago
https://substack.com/@tomhoefling/note/c-197600374?r=2zlv4a&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint.

[snip…]

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.


Our AGs, Governors, law enforcement and civil rights groups should be holding those committing illegal actions accountable through arrest, trial, and conviction.

yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
32. Females learn at an early age to keep their mouths shut...or else.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:48 PM
10 hrs ago

Or else can take many forms.

ananda

(34,453 posts)
33. Not all of them, obviously.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:55 PM
10 hrs ago

I've been trying to think how I'd react in
the same situation.

From what I can tell about ICE, just being
female is reason enough to harm, degrade,
rape, or kill us.

What women need to do is rethink. Maybe
only go to protests in gangs. I see no
reason for them not to be armed either.

yellow dahlia

(4,607 posts)
34. I am older than Renee. My generation was more suppressed.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 04:00 PM
10 hrs ago

I don't think Renee did anything wrong. I think women should not cower. But men have often been indoctrinated to think so.

Maru Kitteh

(31,267 posts)
36. I have been thinking the same thing for DAYS now! Bought her last book,
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 06:25 PM
7 hrs ago

and I’ve been looking up every podcast she’s been featured on in the last year or so and watching or listening to them.

She’s AMAZING.

pacalo

(24,848 posts)
37. He felt demasculinized and he wanted to show her who's boss.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 06:48 PM
7 hrs ago

He called her a 'fucking bitch' after he shot his gun 3 times.

NH Ethylene

(31,294 posts)
39. Exactly. It was an emotional response.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:39 PM
6 hrs ago

The victim's wife was also taunting him, which must have really pushed his buttons. So he showed them all what a big man he was.

NH Ethylene

(31,294 posts)
38. And all without thinking about his responses
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:36 PM
6 hrs ago

Because he's just not an introspective kind of thug.

BurnDoubt

(1,486 posts)
40. Some woman must have...
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:55 PM
6 hrs ago

laughed at his dick.
Toxic Masculinity.
Any Questions?
Dominance is a Psycho-Sexual aberration.
Get treatment. And leave the rest of us alone, freak.

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