Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:17 AM Thursday

Ever since DJT ran for president the first time, I have seen the absolute worst of people

and everyday it just gets worse. It's as if they strive to be just as evil and soulless and selfish and twisted as he is. It's shocking to me.

Whatever happened to kindness, compassion and basic human decency? Those used to be admirable traits; now I don't know what they are. Or where they are.

I remember when Bill Clinton was impeached for a consensual sex act and the right-wingers were collectively clutching their pearls and crying "what do we tell the children?" Well, what do you tell the children now? Go out and be the biggest asshole you can possibly be and you'll be rewarded? Scream racial slurs at customers at your job and set up a gofundme and reap in the dough when you're rightfully fired? Participate in an insurrection and get pardoned? Cross state lines and shoot peaceful protesters, get acquitted at trial and be hailed a hero? Join a pack of lawless armed goons in masks and shoot an innocent woman in the face and people will lie and cover for you? I could go on and on with examples but there are far too many.

I don’t have any answers, but I do know that it's not okay. None of it is okay and shame on the people who think it is. Shame on people who celebrate the very worst of humanity. Shame on the people who support DJT and his synchophants. Shame on them all.

Rant over. MIButterly out (for now).

36 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ever since DJT ran for president the first time, I have seen the absolute worst of people (Original Post) MIButterfly Thursday OP
Well said! Playingmantis Thursday #1
Thank you, Playingmantis! MIButterfly Thursday #7
Monkey see, monkey do. But with lower IQs. Dave Bowman Thursday #2
I say "FUCK" a lot more. ProudMNDemocrat Thursday #3
They seem to have "burned the boats" and are going to take this hell ride to the bitter end. Blues Heron Thursday #4
He's continuing the tradition of no_hypocrisy Thursday #5
If this behavior you've described continues to spread around the country and the world, it will be the end of Fil1957 Thursday #6
You nailed it - KT2000 Thursday #8
Thank you, KT2000! MIButterfly Thursday #9
You couldn't be more correct, MiButterfly. Buddyzbuddy Thursday #10
Thank you, Buddyzbuddy! MIButterfly Thursday #13
Hope that the MAGA cult winds up dying alone in their later years and abandoned by their families. Crowman2009 Thursday #11
"Go out and be the biggest asshole you can possibly be and you'll be rewarded?" OldBaldy1701E Thursday #12
I'm afraid you may be right, OldBaldy1701E. MIButterfly Thursday #14
True, it was always the practice to kind of act like they were not behaving in that manner, but... OldBaldy1701E Thursday #23
In my life I have seldom wanted anything more than news of him stroking out Orrex Thursday #15
I hate to say it but that may be the only way we'll finally be rid of him MIButterfly Thursday #19
Barbarians. moondust Thursday #16
I'm right there with you. yardwork Thursday #17
I've been reading a history of the "dark ages" in Europe jmbar2 Thursday #24
Yes. I've thought about the plague years a lot. yardwork Thursday #26
I think of lot of current anti-immigrant hysteria is related to climate change migrations jmbar2 Thursday #30
That's it. yardwork Thursday #33
Couldn't agree more popsdenver Thursday #18
It's true here in Michigan too. MIButterfly Thursday #20
Texas is probably absolutely the worst. mwmisses4289 Thursday #25
brand car popsdenver Thursday #32
K&R canetoad Thursday #21
Thank you, canetoad! MIButterfly Thursday #22
Malignant Aggression 2na fisherman Thursday #27
Thank you, 2na fisherman, for this possible explanation. MIButterfly Thursday #31
Wow - that really rings true jmbar2 Thursday #36
I cried when I went to bed last night Jilly_in_VA Thursday #28
I've cried a bit lately, too. MIButterfly Thursday #34
The need to hurt, demean, & dominate others is the way of the world now SunImp Thursday #29
And isn't that a sad state of affairs? That the worst of humanity has the most influence. MIButterfly Thursday #35

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,630 posts)
3. I say "FUCK" a lot more.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:28 AM
Thursday

As does everyone I know, but not to be shocking. To make a point that this man is FUBAR to the max!

Blues Heron

(8,398 posts)
4. They seem to have "burned the boats" and are going to take this hell ride to the bitter end.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:39 AM
Thursday

That should terrify the planet because trump has expressed a desire to set off nukes somewhere

Fil1957

(546 posts)
6. If this behavior you've described continues to spread around the country and the world, it will be the end of
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:02 PM
Thursday

civilization as we know it.

KT2000

(21,962 posts)
8. You nailed it -
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:25 PM
Thursday

the worst of this is to see on a daily basis how cruel and hateful so many people living among us have become. There is no longer shame in vomiting hate into our society.

I watched the movie Nuremberg about the psychiatrist who was sent to learn about Hermann Goering. He tried to warn the world that evil and hate can manifest in anyone but no one would listen. It ultimately destroyed him.

All I know to do is to maintain our standards and speak up.

Crowman2009

(3,408 posts)
11. Hope that the MAGA cult winds up dying alone in their later years and abandoned by their families.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:33 PM
Thursday

Because who the hell wants to be around those unsufferable POS on a daily basis. May as well file a restraining order against them since they are violent as well.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,204 posts)
12. "Go out and be the biggest asshole you can possibly be and you'll be rewarded?"
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:52 PM
Thursday

Nah, that has been common knowledge in this country for a long time.

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
14. I'm afraid you may be right, OldBaldy1701E.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:57 PM
Thursday

It just wasn't so in-your-face as it is now, I guess.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,204 posts)
23. True, it was always the practice to kind of act like they were not behaving in that manner, but...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:31 PM
Thursday

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
19. I hate to say it but that may be the only way we'll finally be rid of him
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:09 PM
Thursday

but I'm afraid the damage he's wrought will live on long after he's gone.

moondust

(21,220 posts)
16. Barbarians.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:03 PM
Thursday

Doing away with anything that promotes civility, grace, and equality because it gets in the way of their brutality.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
17. I'm right there with you.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:04 PM
Thursday

I read history and I've seen this story before.

How could the German people go along with the mass deportation and murder of millions of people just because they were Jewish, gay, travelers, or just different from some arbitrary standard? Austria and Germany were the epitome of civilized nations when they let this happen.

How could people who considered themselves to be Christian enslave other people for hundreds of years, torturing, raping, murdering? Why did white European colonists think God gave them the right to murder millions of other people and take their land?

It happens over and over throughout human history.

If we survive this the lesson is that the U.S. is not special. We are not exceptional. We are human beings just like everybody else and many of us have really shitty values and behaviors.

jmbar2

(7,649 posts)
24. I've been reading a history of the "dark ages" in Europe
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:32 PM
Thursday

The term is disputed now, but it referred to the period between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance, the time of wars, plagues and religious and scientific repression. Fortunately, the Arab world preserved a lot of earlier advanced knowledge in math, science and medicine, to be later reintroduced to the western world.

I imagine you don't get to learn about that now at Texas A&M and other dumb factories that are banning classical works like Plato. But here we are. Anti-vax, antiscience, etc.

History rhymes.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
26. Yes. I've thought about the plague years a lot.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:52 PM
Thursday

I studied the history of diseases in college. When COVID emerged I expected to see bizarre behavior, just as many people acted during the plagues in Europe. It's guaranteed that some people react to crises with fear, paranoia, hysteria and blame.

The really big crisis heading our way is climate change, which will bring water shortages, famines, and mass displacement. Based on how poorly a lot of people responded to COVID, I expect it will be a bad scene.

jmbar2

(7,649 posts)
30. I think of lot of current anti-immigrant hysteria is related to climate change migrations
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 03:26 PM
Thursday

Climate is already setting off mass migrations from increasingly unliveable regions. The Ukraine war, Venezuela, Gaza, Africa - all have climate and resource issues driving migrations.

It's short-sighted to think that we can hold back a wave of people flowing across the globe without addressing the underlying issues.

popsdenver

(1,569 posts)
18. Couldn't agree more
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:07 PM
Thursday

and it is most apparent out on the streets and roads with road rage, aggressive driving, and "entitled" driving...here in Denver and Colorado.....(not sure in other areas of the U.S.)

My grandchildren are forbidden by their parents to drive on interstates or major roads here in the Denver Metro area.....

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
20. It's true here in Michigan too.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:12 PM
Thursday

It has permeated every area of our lives and we're all the worse for it.

mwmisses4289

(3,257 posts)
25. Texas is probably absolutely the worst.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:49 PM
Thursday

Especially the pickup truck drivers. The bigger the pickup, the worse they are. Also, the expensive car drivers (think Mercedes, bmws, lexus). Road rage is worse because many of these idgits keep guns in their vehicles

popsdenver

(1,569 posts)
32. brand car
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 04:45 PM
Thursday

has ALOT to do with driving.....Used to be Mercedes, Audis, Lexus in a close tie. Now, it is BMW's being far and away in first place, with Tesla and Prius

2na fisherman

(241 posts)
27. Malignant Aggression
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:54 PM
Thursday

"The “authoritarian” or sadomasochistic character is the result, Fromm believes, of efforts to meet human needs in an unpropitious environment. Unable to achieve satisfaction through either work or love, the lonely and anxious self finds dubious fulfillment either through thralldom to the power and glory above it—masochistic submission to God, the Leader, Duty or another person —or by captivation and control of weaker beings below. Since sadistic and masochistic elements are invariably found in the same character, the individual is apt to enter into both relationships at once, in a perfect expression of the bureaucratic personality."
The Anatomy Of Human Destructiveness (Eric Fromm)
New York Times book review by Sara Sanborn
Nov. 18, 1973

This may help to explain what's on the minds of many supporting the Trump regime and others like it. But one of the greatest challenges of the 21st century will be to discover a way to change hearts and minds to remove this malignant aggression before it ends civilization.

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
31. Thank you, 2na fisherman, for this possible explanation.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 04:42 PM
Thursday

I am especially intrigued by your final sentence, how to discover a way to change hearts and minds to remove this malicious aggression before it ends civilization, indeed.

jmbar2

(7,649 posts)
36. Wow - that really rings true
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 05:00 PM
Thursday

I keep seeing posts on Reddit asking why young folks aren't out in force like in Iran and other nations. Instead of fighting the forces making our lives miserable, some are choosing to become the forces that make everyone miserable. Being a goon has become the best-paying job in America for average young folks.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,821 posts)
28. I cried when I went to bed last night
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:56 PM
Thursday

It was only Jan. 7th, but it seemed like every day had been worse than the one before it. Maybe it is, or maybe it's just because I've been so sick (I've had the flu and it's been brutal, I'm still so weak and tired) but today I got up and it's just more of the same. Is there no hope at all?

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
34. I've cried a bit lately, too.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 04:50 PM
Thursday

It does seem like every day is worse than the day before, doesn't it? Sometimes I feel like it's hopeless, too. How much more can we take?

I hope you feel better soon. I had the flu a couple of months ago and it was no fun.

SunImp

(2,618 posts)
29. The need to hurt, demean, & dominate others is the way of the world now
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 03:12 PM
Thursday

Thanks to people like Carl Rove, Rush Limba, Alex Jones, etc

MIButterfly

(2,105 posts)
35. And isn't that a sad state of affairs? That the worst of humanity has the most influence.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 04:53 PM
Thursday

I just don’t get it.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Ever since DJT ran for pr...