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surfered

(11,342 posts)
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 10:23 AM Yesterday

Now hear this!

Ukraine didn’t start the war.
Tariffs are taxes on consumers.
14 year-olds are not adults.
Immigrants are not responsible for the ills of the country.

That is all!

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Now hear this! (Original Post) surfered Yesterday OP
You can't have a war on drugs if you are pardoning drug kingpins Norbert Yesterday #1
Excellent point! surfered Yesterday #3
Plus drug trafficking convictions don't get death-penalty sentences. Justice matters. Yesterday #13
I LOVE this! calimary 17 hrs ago #17
K&R - nt TBF Yesterday #2
ABSOLUTELY! some_of_us_are_sane Yesterday #4
Rinse and Repeat! Joinfortmill Yesterday #5
It's good to restate the truth VanMilder Yesterday #6
To be fair, immigrants are in large part responsible for the ills of this country quakerboy Yesterday #7
Hasty Generalization Paper Roses Yesterday #8
But your subject line is about "Hasty GeneraTIONS" Farmer-Rick Yesterday #10
Ha. A generalization based in clearly established facts quakerboy Yesterday #11
Loud and clear malaise Yesterday #9
Happy New Year 🎆 to you! 🇯🇲 surfered 21 hrs ago #15
Freaking seconded! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #12
I said this... Maj. Dude 22 hrs ago #14
Which is why I try to not blame individual Russians. This is Putin's war. surfered 21 hrs ago #16
My thesis based on my experiences jfz9580m 12 hrs ago #19
I can think of at least one 79 year old who is not an adult. n/t Morbius 16 hrs ago #18
👍👍 so true TommieMommy 7 hrs ago #20

Norbert

(7,549 posts)
1. You can't have a war on drugs if you are pardoning drug kingpins
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 10:26 AM
Yesterday

Last edited Wed Dec 31, 2025, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Justice matters.

(9,320 posts)
13. Plus drug trafficking convictions don't get death-penalty sentences.
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 01:28 PM
Yesterday

So it's plain and simple mass murders without any evidence provided by a lying Fascist regime to distract from their epstein coverup.

GOP is short for Guardians Of Pedophiles.

quakerboy

(14,701 posts)
7. To be fair, immigrants are in large part responsible for the ills of this country
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 12:45 PM
Yesterday

Just mostly not recent/first generation immigrants (elon and murdoch excepted)

Paper Roses

(7,614 posts)
8. Hasty Generalization
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 12:50 PM
Yesterday

A hasty generalization is a logical fallacy where someone draws a broad conclusion about a whole group or situation based on a small, insufficient, or unrepresentative sample, essentially "jumping to conclusions" without enough evidence, often leading to stereotypes or flawed reasoning. It's faulty reasoning that applies a general rule from a few instances (like one bad experience) to all cases (e.g., "All cats are mean" after one scratched you).

Edited title, my error

Farmer-Rick

(12,425 posts)
10. But your subject line is about "Hasty GeneraTIONS"
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 01:04 PM
Yesterday

What's a Hasty Generation? A grandparent who encourages their grandchildren to have babies at a young age? Parents who give birth to babies in highschool?

Immigrants who move their multigenerational families to the US too quickly without knowing what the US is actually like?

So many possibilities.

quakerboy

(14,701 posts)
11. Ha. A generalization based in clearly established facts
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 01:14 PM
Yesterday

Fact is precious few of our nations current ills can be laid at the feet of indigenous folk. The rest of us are immigrants.

Maj. Dude

(33 posts)
14. I said this...
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 05:14 PM
22 hrs ago

On FB, when Russia invaded Ukraine.
"To the men & women from both countries, this is not your war. Please find your way back to your homes & families.
This is a bully's war"

jfz9580m

(16,534 posts)
19. My thesis based on my experiences
Thu Jan 1, 2026, 02:48 AM
12 hrs ago

Increasingly is that all wars are part some tyrant like Putin and whatever the hell Trump is aside from crazy fascist* and some part the national security state’s out of control defense contracting and war mongering wing. Musk, Erik Prince, Palantir, all sorts of small creepy companies (NSO group, BlackCube) and of course the friendly fascists of Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon etc.

And no doubt Apple which makes my phone 🙄. Opt out was their high point. No ai. No bullshit. They do have better instincts about what consumers want (no bots and no bs) price gougers as they are.

*: I sometimes feel Trump is some sort of mass of animal id..yeah he is very much a product of reality tv.
Putin like Stalin is a specific type of tyrant.
Trump is some kind of confusing chaotic force ..he defies description. He is scary to look at because you feel his buffoonish veneer lulls your brain into. I would find a steely-eyed fascist less scary. Anyway..

Poor Zelenskyy..he has really been made a pawn of these various evil forces. I started watching “Servant of the People”. But somehow it was too depressing to continue. I couldn’t help but think that Ukraine probably looks nothing like that by now. Zelenskyy’s election had been a kind of fu to the oligarchs and then Putin’s war.

Same with Mo Amer and Hashoter Hatav. Though they all had their points. Somehow comedies and war torn parts of the world seemed dissonant? Though they need comedy more than anyone else..

Are there actually people who believe Ukraine started the war? This piece by a doctor Clayton Dalton I read a while back addressed how apparently difficult a shared perception on reality is.

Shrug. I am going as low tech and offline as I can. But without the anxious ocd that the addiction model requires. I just shut off and shut down as much as I can and am blunt about it. That should help refocus on the real world (casual online engagement to shut off stuff like bots and all unwanted tech aside).

Anyway electoral politics and realpolitik are probably not my thing as much as specific issues. I can now see that. And casual academic interest in the whole nightmarish shebang.

And I don’t think hating anyone is good. Life has to be hard enough for Russians with Putin. Probably they can’t express support of people like Navalny since most people don’t want to go to prison etc.

It’s why it is important to pushback early and often at even the start of fascistic shit approaching your life from any direction so they don’t get entrenched so you need to “your” warlord or billionaire or vested interest rather than democracy with all its friction and the vast majority of us NPC squabbling and grumbling and pushing and shoving ahead - graceful and elegant . But never dictating, groveling and manipulating or kayfabe (noxious concept). I fail to see why NPC is an insult. PC seems like a template that applies only to politicians/media personalities and influencers or hideous people. I stand with the confused NPC rabble and our graceless progress. NPC rights! We are people too.

I liked the part in The Stepford Wives where Bobbie talks about how she went to a place with normal irate women. Though while I dislike harmony creep style, I am weary of needless friction as well. It would be nice if anything ever worked simply without ignoring unpleasant realities and politics in ways inconvenient to the kinds of people I am permanently cutting out and filing complaints against.

Miscommunication for real between people largely in agreement is guaranteed with these damn many people. It is why I avoid crowds and keep my neck of the woods and part of the grid free of that shit when it encroaches. We don’t want any whatever it is is my motto.

Corporations are not people. Nor are their shills reliable humans.

I actually feel very relieved when I see the NPCs. My people! They usually look confused and alarmed and baffled. I was even more NPC 15 years ago. It’s like South Park’s “Cancelled” and so depressing if an NPC decides to join the collective dance of some gross and creepy Facebook and Google and Pentland curated thing with the option of destruction by an ass like Musk or extortion by those brainless jokes who are Palantir etc as the alternative.

It is just like a flock of birds! No it really is not! Also sotto voce..fuck you..dimwit. Shoving some random NPCs into some foul thing and wondering why they go crazy. Not in my home, street etc. Go annoy just about anyone else.

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