SOMETHING is going on in the market. Re: precious metals.

[LuckyCharms]

Silver has breached $80.00 an ounce, and it's expected to keep rising.

I know that China is halting exports of silver on 1/1/26 I believe, but I'm not convinced that this is the entire cause for this huge rise...

Gold is at about $4,550.

I don't know if some of this has to do with metals as perceived flight to safety, or what...

[hlthe2b]

1. I noticed this as well. Those of us below the top 1% are just held captive to the PTB forces...

[LuckyCharms]

3. I've been stacking silver since it was $4.00 an ounce...

and this sudden price rise is freaking me out a little.

Then, look at the way bitcoin is being whipsawed.

Smells like crime and manipulation...

I think AI speculation is the only thing propping up stocks... I think we might be in for a hard crash.

[anciano]

8. "hard crash".....

Highly likely, the current "tulip mania" cannot realistically continue much longer.

[Melon]

14. Sell some...nobody has ever lost money taking profit😁

It may continue depending on demand versus industrial supply and will certainly set a new price floor. The issue with gold and silver is that the market is full of scammers and price pumpers at all times.

[LuckyCharms]

16. I'm struggling with that decision...

A lot of mine was passed down, and it holds sentimental value.

[marble falls]

27. Then I'd hold onto that. A lot of the gold we bought in the 60s in Thailand was high carat and low level design ...

... the type of jewelry people in SE Asia buy as a savings account, and boy has it increased in value. Less than $40/oz back then!

But the good stuff, we're holding onto. Some "savings account stuff" we've sold for melt to get a modern piece. We do have a serious safe. It would two guys and a jackhammer to get it out.















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[LuckyCharms]

28. Be back later.

Going out to rent a jack hammer and find another guy.

[Katcat]

36. Hold on

I’m on the way!

[marble falls]

56. What the hell! Are we filming Ocean's 2????

[marble falls]

55. Dammit. I need to learn discretion. I got a cat. I hope you're allergic.

[LuckyCharms]

57. .

[Dan]

2. Thinking the U.S. dollar is losing value...

[LuckyCharms]

4. Yes.

[Melon]

29. 10% over the last year. By design likely. It will erode further on rate drops.

[marble falls]

58. He's out to surpass Reagan's Stagflation - dead economy with rising prices. He'll be down at the mint with a ...

... magic marker putting zeros after the denominations of currency.

[Melon]

62. Likely trying to deflate dollar value to help exports

We need deflation which only comes with rough times.

[DFW]

66. Not impossible.

A slightly weaker dollar makes our exports cheaper to the rest of the world, and makes imports more expensive, thus relieving pressure on local manufacturers without having to resort to tariffs. But it has to be micromanaged and watched like a hawk by serious professionals so as not to lead to runaway inflation.

[Bev54]

38. Yes and the rising number of countries joining BCRICS for trade currency is weakening the US

dollar. It is a new world order in which the US is being left out.

[Bluetus]

41. Relative to what?

Traditionally this was compared to the pound sterling, EQ, or one of the lesser currencies. That is changing and nobody seems to even notice.

THere are about $2.4 trillion of dollars in circulation. There is about $3 trillion of crypto in circulation. OK, nobody is buying their groceries with Bitcoin and most car dealers don't take crypto. But it is functioning as a real currency, enabling some of the biggest deals that are happening. And the stuff is literally conjured out of thin air.

Generally speaking, the crypto kiddies have never made anything real in their lives. They don't make cars or refrigerators. They mostly don't even make much software, and the software they do create keeps losing track of billions of dollars worth of coin. But they don't care. They can just create more.

If you thought it was insane to allow a few Federal Reserve banksters to control all our money, well this is even worse.

I don't know where this all leads, but it is clear that our lawmakers don't understand it, or maybe they just don't care, because they will happily take "campaign contributions" in any crypto you want to use.

[Melon]

5. It's global data centers and electronics. Silver is a long time artificially suppressed price market

Demand of industrial silver is outstripping supply. People have fled to gold and silver as a safe-haven. The availability of industrial silver is below what is required for next generation memory and gpu demand. The price is skyrocketing but the smelters are now not buying due to the price plus supply as everyone is selling. We’ll see what happens Monday in the market.

[LuckyCharms]

9. Do you think graphene will someday serve as a replacement for silver in

industrial applications. I'm just now starting to read about this...

[Melon]

12. I really don't know. I only follow silver becomes of some

Silver I own plus its impact on tech stocks. I’ll look into graphene. During periods of uncertainty, investments tend to flow into stable markets like heavy metals, plus the uptick in AI. Silver can just as easily fall quickly. Extreme price run ups in anything don’t tend to end well.

[lastlib]

40. I'm reminded of the Hunt brothers' foray into the silver market.....

1979-1980. Two sons of the late oil magnate H.L. Hunt made an attempt to corner the silver market by buying futures contracts and taking delivery when the contracts expired. When the supply of physical silver dried up due to their manipulation, their scheme caught the attention of regulators, who stepped in to limit futures contracts, causing the Hunts' scheme to collapse. Consequently, they were forced to sell their holdings at huge losses, and eventually were forced into bankruptcy (although they nevertheless came out of it quite wealthy anyway). I think one (maybe both) of them was convicted of fraud for the scheme, fined millions of dineros, and banned from the commodities markets. It was quite a scandal, and led Congress and regulators to write some new rules.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Likely A Goal

As demand goes up, the cost efficiency of making graphene should improve substantially.
It's a highly energy intensive process so it will never be "cheap" but as it's possible to make to meet demand, unlike mined metals, the supply of which is finite). It will likely always be cheaper than silver, until enough graphebe is used to greatly lower demand for silver.
Graphene not only has better conductivity, but electrons actually flow through it faster than metal wires.
Every little bit of speed is probably a big deal to the tech manufacturers.

[madville]

51. Batteries are also driving silver up

New battery tech is using more silver, especially in China. Some of the new solid state battery tech is also dependent on silver, some using around a kilogram of silver for each 100kwh of battery capacity.

[LogDog75]

6. Good article from CBS

Gold and silver prices are increasing due to the following:
Investors are moving money into gold as a safe haven rather than in currencies that are flat.
Softer monetary policies such as rate cutes .
Central banks are buying more gold
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gold-price-silver-whats-behind-the-surge/

I don't own gold or invest in it. The only silver I have is in the form of coins I collected when I was a teenager through my 30s. I don't consider them an investment because I just like the look and feel of them. For me, investing in precious metals is too risky because any change in the geopolitical landscape can spike or crash the precious metals very quickly.

[LuckyCharms]

11. Yes, they say to hold no more than 5% of your portfolio in metals...

mainly as an inflation hedge.

[DFW]

67. For decades, that was the standard line

But imagine you had $50,000 to invest in gold or silver when Bill Clinton’s term ended. Confidence in the US economy was at a record high. Gold sank to about $250 an ounce, and silver was back down to about $4.50. If that represented 5% of your net worth, then you were worth $1 million then. If you held on to the position, your investment would be worth about $900,000 today, minus capital gains taxes. If THAT is 5% of your net worth, congratulations, because it means you’re worth $18 million (if we meet, dinner is on you). Of course, if you had invested that much in Apple stock and held on to it until now, I don’t think my calculator has enough zeros to tell me what THAT would be worth.

[doc03]

39. I read this morning Elon Musk pushing cyber currency. What does he need for his

Tesla and his space program "silver". Seems like self serving advise. to me.

[applegrove]

7. When you consider Bitcoin is at tens of thousands

of dollars or more it makes more sense to buy gold at $4500.00

[LuckyCharms]

10. But then again, you can buy fractional bitcoin.

Personally, i don't touch crypto.

There's something to be said for investing in something you can hold in your hand. Something physical that you can touch, physical metals.

I don't like "paper" gold or silver. ie: stocks that give you shares in metals that you hold only electronically.

Can't even get a stock certificate these days for the stocks you own without paying for the cert and jumping through hoops. It's all electronic, and it's all manipulated.

[Iwasthere]

30. The difference is bitcoin is scarce

There will only be 21,000,000 bitcoin EVER! We are at over 19,000,000 mined right now. I started buying btc when it was $9000. I'm at 10x my money. I avoid all the wierd coins and cryptos. Bitcoins the one. Better than gold.

[RazorbackExpat]

70. It's not scarce when it can divided into infinitesimally small amounts

[Melon]

31. You can buy fractional silver and gold etf's.

[Jack Valentino]

13. SILVER has strong industrial applications, especially in electronics--

so it isn't merely an economic speculative vehicle--- but does have a rarity.


From my non-professional observation, it may be an an even better bet than gold...

I hope to be able to invest a little in silver ETFs in the coming year,
with perhaps a little in gold ETFs as well...

[LuckyCharms]

15. Have you considered stacking physical silver?

Silver eagles...

90% junk coins, 1964 and earlier

Bars and rounds...

That's what I do. I like the whole collectability aspect of it mostly.

[catchnrelease]

35. That's what my husband is into

He likes collecting, searching for what he's missing, trading etc. I think he said it's the Morgan silver dollars that are his 'thing'. And I know he's sold off a bunch of his less desirable stuff and converted into bars. But he's put together some pretty nice collections over the years. Back in the early 2000s he sold off almost all of what he'd collected to pay for some huge medical bills. (He had no insurance then and didn't know he was eligible for care at the VA) Then in recent years he's gotten back into it but on a much smaller scale. I know he's spent a lot of time in the 'stacker' community online.

[Jack Valentino]

63. I used to HAVE some physical silver--- but sold it off

when I still had a car running, and it had reached a high price (I thought)
which was about one-third of THIS high--- LOL I kick myself,
but I had no other choice at the time....


So now, when I have no owned transportation,
the ETFs would seem a better option to purchase any position in silver
(and more based upon the spot price, without premiums for physical ownership)

[lastlib]

43. Gold also has application in electronics.

Both metals are very good electrical conductors. You can look at any plug-n-play computer component and see gold contacts.

[madville]

52. Silver demand will continue growing because of batteries

New battery tech is using more silver, especially in China. Some of the new solid state battery tech is also dependent on silver, some using around a kilogram of silver for each 100kwh of battery capacity.

[ret5hd]

17. some more info re: gold/silver...

this rise in the price of gold is despite the fact that Russia has sold China almost $2 billion (with a b) worth of gold in the last couple months...and that is just what has been reported. more than that is suspected.

so, despite the fact that Russia essentially dumping gold on the market (yes, I realize these sales aren't exactly "on the market", but they are filling a market that presumably would have been filled from other sources)...gold has gone from about $2600/oz to $4500/oz in about a year. Who knows what it may have been without these sales.

An aside: it seems to me China is hoarding gold for a big economic collapse. But that is an uneducated opinion.

Silver from about $30 to $80 in the same timeframe, but silver looks MUCH more parabolic in this one year timeframe, so I kinda think silver may "crash" back down to $50 or so.

anyway, just some idle thoughts.

[LuckyCharms]

19. Yes, I'm just starting to read about China stopping silver exports on 1/1/26.

This reduces worldwide supply, while demand remains status quo, or increases. Hence, it's at least a contributor to the price rise.

I haven't been following gold too much, but I'm going to research what China is doing with that...

[doc03]

48. Mexico is the largest silver producer in the world more than

double #2 China. Will Trump want take over Mexico next?

[UpInArms]

18. Peter Schiff with Kitco

https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2025-12-24/peter-schiff-says-fed-reversal-inflation-clash-trump-and-silver-surge-point

Schiff said the sharp move in silver prices above $66 an ounce reflects years of suppressed pricing finally giving way to monetary and supply-driven demand. He pointed to the break above $50 as a decisive technical event, noting that “there’d be no more resistance” once silver had reached $50.

Looking ahead to 2026, Schiff characterized $100 silver as “a very realistic target,” adding that prices could move higher if monetary instability accelerates. He also expects gold to reach at least $5,000, noting that silver’s growth often signals deeper stress in the financial system.

[LuckyCharms]

20. Yes! I keep catching hints of this...

Meaning...that once silver broke a certain suppressed price resistance, it's off to the races.

[superpatriotman]

21. By the time the poors are aware of price movements

It's too late

[LuckyCharms]

23. True...

But I've been watching it every morning for decades, so I've been aware, but I'm too poor to buy more!

[ret5hd]

22. For those considering selling their gold:

I read something a long time ago that has always stuck with me. I will paraphrase:

Gold is NOT a way to get rich.
Gold is a way to move a portion of your wealth from one side of an economic crises to the other side. That is all.

That is why I believe in holding ones gold/silver unless you have a real need for it like RIGHT NOW. If you die holding gold/silver/etc, pass it on to whoever with the above advice.

[LuckyCharms]

24. ++++++++ Exactly right.

[Vinca]

25. I saw that this morning. I have a little horde of silver bits and pieces I've been saving to cash in and it looks like

now might be a good time. Sadly, I cashed in the gold stash during a previous high. If anyone wonders, it's stuff I picked up at yard sales and found in a recycling shed at the town dump so it's not like I have a pile of Tiffany jewelry laying around the house.

[marble falls]

26. "Perceived" is the key word.

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[Melon]

64. What are you referencing?

[marble falls]

71. Second time today. A post shows up not in the OP I'm looking at.

[multigraincracker]

32. I'm looking for real estate market to break.

Like 2008.

[RetiredParatrooper]

42. Personally, I don't care all that much about the real estate market

I own my house outright. Even if the value of it dropped to $1, I still have a place to live.

As a side note, I keep getting calls and texts asking me to sell it. I tell them $10 million, cash, or FO. Strangely, I stop hearing from them after that.

[multigraincracker]

50. Same here. More worried about the stock market.

[ashredux]

33. Folks... this house of cards built by Trump is about to fall

Can’t tell you a date or time, but it’s coming

[flamingdem]

37. Why is bitcoin dropping while silver is climbing?

Very odd.

[Mosby]

44. People could be cashing out some of their cryptocurrency

And putting it in precious metals.

[flamingdem]

46. I wish I could do the same

but would take a loss.

[yourout]

53. Probably some people that know that Bitcoin is going to come crashing down and the economy with it and are looking to..

Stash Wealth in a more stable place.

[LuckyCharms]

61. Because ruthless hedge funds use bitcoin like a plaything to meet margin collateral requirements.

And they either pump it or dump it, depending on their needs at the current time.

[flamingdem]

76. That's super interesting

I got caught up in the latest drop. Just tax loss harvested some Etha BMNR and Coinbase. Of course now they'll go up in January. But I've learned my lesson. No more crypto!

[doc03]

45. I have some gold and silver but I am 78 years old I am just holding it

and passing it down to the next generation.

[madville]

49. They are using more silver in batteries

And its projected to increase greatly as more new technologies use more silver and more and more large batteries are needed, especially in China.

[Mosby]

54. It's over 83 now.

$15.29 increase in one week. 46% in one month. This is nuts.

The melt value of a single morgan dollar is $64, this is really changing the collectors markets.

You can buy 2025 proof Morgans and peace dollars for $95 right from the mint, couple more weeks of this and the melt value will be the same or more than the retail coin price.

Eta a mercury dime is worth $6 melt. Jesus.

[LuckyCharms]

59. It is nuts!!!

I have rolls and rolls of mercury and Barber dimes.

Morgans, Peace dollars, Franklins, and Barber coins of all denominations. Some have numismatic value as well, but most don't.

[SamuelTheThird]

60. People expect a dollar debasement

[Melon]

65. It's supply and demand. AI and electronics are causing more demand than world supply.

That’s the mystery. People are buying more, but it’s the industrial usage of silver driving this. 70% of silver is used in industrial applications. China stopping shipping silver because their demand exceeds their production. The US needs to declare silver as strategic as well, or we will be short for chips, batteries and solar production.

[DFW]

69. In the Mexican state of Guerrero

Near the city if Taxco, there are (or were—I haven’t been there in decades) several mountains of such rich silver ore, it seemed they’d never run out.

[DFW]

68. Both took a breather this morning

Gold dropped to $4465 and silver dropped to $75. Of course, some traders will be representing global scale clients such as world-wide industrial users and/or central banks doing year-end close-outs of positions, and that can lead to exaggerated movements in the markets that have no other real cause.

[LuckyCharms]

72. Thanks DFW...biggest one day percentage drop I've seen in awhile.

[DFW]

74. Gold dropped another $100 today

$4365 or so.

Like I said—year end position squaring will cause some volatility.

[Mosby]

75. Silver is back up to $77.

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https://www.apmex.com/silver-price

$78+ now (12/30)

[Mosby]

73. I wish this was me.

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