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senseandsensibility

(22,471 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:34 PM Thursday

While we are focused on Padilla (and deservedly so)

I would just like to point out what Noem actually said she intends to do. Before they dragged a sitting US Senator out of the room (who HAD identified himself), she said this:
We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country."

As Ron Filipkowski just pointed out, "That's not what the military is supposed to do. That's called a military coup."

To put it even more plainly, they have no right to "liberate" California voters from the representatives and policies that the voters VOTED FOR IN CALIFORNIA. Nothing gives them that right.

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While we are focused on Padilla (and deservedly so) (Original Post) senseandsensibility Thursday OP
We have lost our democracy. Irish_Dem Thursday #1
I'm not that pessemistic senseandsensibility Thursday #2
We keep thinking that the new thing will be the final straw. Irish_Dem Thursday #4
I disagree, Irish_Dem: I think this has made it really clear where we're headed with the republicans of today. BComplex Thursday #40
I'm sensing that too senseandsensibility Thursday #55
Appears that republicans are not vapor2 Thursday #66
Repub legislators need to Stand Up. Otherwise the blowback is meaningless. nt. druidity33 19 hrs ago #74
The Republican Legislators DENVERPOPS 15 hrs ago #79
Maybe. But power concentration is unprecedented. Imagine if they weaponize access to credit cards and bank access. lostnfound 11 hrs ago #82
The wakeup call was 2015 Hornedfrog2000 Thursday #13
Vichy Dems OhioBack2Blue 22 hrs ago #70
Rump and his minions have been giving us "wake-up calls" for ten years..... lastlib Thursday #43
And millions have been VOTING FOR THIS RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago #75
Not sure exactly what to do about it but I know what we CAN'T do. calimary 13 hrs ago #80
Absolutely not senseandsensibility 13 hrs ago #81
Need to get another one, without these fascist assholes. rzemanfl Thursday #3
I keep thinking the same. Irish_Dem Thursday #5
I don't think folks are going to wait much longer. n/t rzemanfl Thursday #6
I keep thinking that too, but nothing happens to the jackwads. Irish_Dem Thursday #11
I don't bdamomma Thursday #29
May our numbers be amazing -- and may the t-storms in DC wash out 47's bullshit pat_k Thursday #64
Well the bdamomma 21 hrs ago #71
We need to get a BETTER one. Why continue the bias? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Thursday #17
What about "without these assholes" wasn't clear? rzemanfl Thursday #18
Removing the 'assholes' is the start, not the culmination. OldBaldy1701E 21 hrs ago #72
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Thursday #19
It's almost gone. The time to act is now. RVN VET71 Thursday #27
I think many people, much like me, are engaged in a "slow burn" over everything going on---- Jack Valentino Thursday #65
This is a war declaration. Tumbulu Thursday #7
It is Noem explaining to her idiot followers WHY the military is being put in place. hamsterjill Thursday #25
Which is why I told all DUers to make sure they hear every word she said malaise Thursday #8
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Thursday #9
Thanks for reading senseandsensibility Thursday #16
Even using the Californians voted for this statement won't convince Nazis they're overstepping... haele Thursday #10
Noem bromeando Thursday #12
JHC WTHF!! Cha Thursday #14
I thought she was an advocate of state's rights. I guess she has no principles. surfered Thursday #15
I am not aware of any "R" politicians or Rump appointee who has ANY principles or integrity. Trust_Reality Thursday #24
States rights aren't "city" rights.... live love laugh Thursday #36
They dropped that ancient lie like a fucking hot potato as soon as they got the fascist government of their wet dreams. Karasu Thursday #57
This is not bdamomma Thursday #20
I really think this needs to be the focus senseandsensibility Thursday #21
Stay tuned more to come... live love laugh Thursday #38
In solidarity with the socialists of CA - TBF Thursday #22
fucking outrageous and evil LymphocyteLover Thursday #23
Gavin Newsom:Bail Organa::California: Alderaan::Donald Trump:Sheev Palpatine 0rganism Thursday #26
Due to the president's his administration's harms done through word and deed against named CA leaders, ancianita Thursday #28
She doesn't know the difference between a liberation and occupation! LostOne4Ever Thursday #30
Doesn't know or doesn't care? live love laugh Thursday #37
At this point I wonder if it matters senseandsensibility Thursday #49
Noem shot a puppy... GiqueCee Thursday #31
The propaganda BS machine is running white hot. Liberation is everywhere and nowhere. flashman13 Thursday #32
Police and guards are everywhere. Justice is nowhere. Justice matters. Thursday #47
Thank you for this very necessary post. eppur_se_muova Thursday #33
The trump admin doesn't leave anything to the imagination anymore. They've been telling us... Hekate Thursday #34
We've all been shot in the face. dchill Thursday #35
As bad as the assault on Padilla was, what Noem said was worse. SunSeeker Thursday #39
I hope that this incident calls attention senseandsensibility Thursday #41
We won't have Trump or Vance for a total of 4 years. annielion Thursday #42
Wow. Thank you for this. Should be post of its own. Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #76
Dog killing seems rapist supporting trash JI7 Thursday #44
Marking for tomorrow rurallib Thursday #45
I say "liberate this !" Nigrum Cattus Thursday #46
Source? Mme. Defarge Thursday #48
The press conference? stillcool Thursday #53
Merci! Mme. Defarge Thursday #61
happy to! stillcool Thursday #63
K&R spanone Thursday #50
She Declared War JustAnotherGen Thursday #51
I thought they were there to round up and deport illegal immigrants. Wingus Dingus Thursday #52
Combine what she and Tom Homan (neither of them very bright or stratigic) said and we know where it's going Attilatheblond Thursday #54
moreover.... orchidlady Thursday #56
"We are...here to liberate the city from the socialists and ....(the) governor" Grins Thursday #58
I wish somebody could remind the blockhead that her parents and grandparents get that "socialist" Medicare. raccoon 23 hrs ago #68
Chris Hayes is covering this aspect right now! senseandsensibility Thursday #59
Just another cultist trying to outdo the rest of the cult underpants Thursday #60
Kick SheltieLover Thursday #62
I wish her poor, dead dog would get KARMA BigmanPigman Yesterday #67
Yeah, but California has SOOOO many more people than South Dakota DFW 22 hrs ago #69
What's Krasnov's game? Regime wants to liberate California kkmarie 19 hrs ago #73
Let's face it. They're going to get most of what they want flamingdem 17 hrs ago #77
This is "Fort Sumpter" ThoughtCriminal 16 hrs ago #78

BComplex

(9,450 posts)
40. I disagree, Irish_Dem: I think this has made it really clear where we're headed with the republicans of today.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Thursday

And I think the blowback is going to be very serious.

senseandsensibility

(22,471 posts)
55. I'm sensing that too
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:02 PM
Thursday

and I am not usually overly optimistic about the mood of the country changing.

vapor2

(2,511 posts)
66. Appears that republicans are not
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:29 PM
Thursday

Afraid of losing their jobs so makes me wonder. No fear of removing 14 million from Medicaid. Drunk with power and greed

DENVERPOPS

(12,564 posts)
79. The Republican Legislators
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:34 PM
15 hrs ago

are clawing and scratching their way, to try to make sure THEY all get into that top 1% before the 99% are obliterated..........

As Trump probably points out to all of them: IF I GO, YOU GO........

lostnfound

(17,014 posts)
82. Maybe. But power concentration is unprecedented. Imagine if they weaponize access to credit cards and bank access.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:08 PM
11 hrs ago

With Palantir / Foundry and no ethical concerns, they can turn the screws on dissent. Possibilities are endless for pressure tactics.

Hornedfrog2000

(251 posts)
13. The wakeup call was 2015
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:03 PM
Thursday

And nobody did shit about it. When the russians burned documents when it was realized they helped trump win. They were removed from the country. Why? Why werent they arrested for being spies and helping undermine our election boggles my mind to this day. Democrats have done basically nothing but tell us to be patient. People are in denial.

OhioBack2Blue

(58 posts)
70. Vichy Dems
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 06:00 AM
22 hrs ago
Democrats have done basically nothing but tell us to be patient. People are in denial.


See Nazi German occupation of France 1940-1944. Terms:
Collaborators
These Dem collaborators think they can make things better, during the fascist occupation of the Divided States of America, but they mostly make things much worse.

Example: Rep Mark Pocan, on Thom Hartman radio: We'll just have to make the best of it, weather it, work with them. (paraphrasing).

There are only 2 tactics proven in history to work: 1) standing up and speaking out against fascism. 2) we all know what #2 is.

lastlib

(26,103 posts)
43. Rump and his minions have been giving us "wake-up calls" for ten years.....
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:56 PM
Thursday

...and millions have been hitting snooze the entire time. I shake my head and wonder what it will take to get them to actually wake up and bring this futhermucker down.

RandomNumbers

(18,659 posts)
75. And millions have been VOTING FOR THIS
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 10:03 AM
18 hrs ago

Sorry but that is the real problem.

I am thoroughly disgusted with the people I know who voted for this shit.

But how do we fix it?

calimary

(86,625 posts)
80. Not sure exactly what to do about it but I know what we CAN'T do.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:19 PM
13 hrs ago

We CAN’T throw in the towel and give up. That’s something we just CANNOT do.

senseandsensibility

(22,471 posts)
81. Absolutely not
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:22 PM
13 hrs ago

and although what's happening is meant to depress us, we can't let them succeed! Non violent protest is powerful and there is no reason we should abdicate that power.

rzemanfl

(30,583 posts)
3. Need to get another one, without these fascist assholes.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:44 PM
Thursday

I am going to be 78 soon, but there must be something I can do.

bdamomma

(68,548 posts)
29. I don't
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Thursday

think so either. We need to push back hard. This disrespect they have for all of us and our country must be stopped. That Project 2025 needs to be burnt in front of their faces. Sorry, my rant.

Nonviolently of course, Saturday is the day. And the world will be watching.

pat_k

(11,319 posts)
64. May our numbers be amazing -- and may the t-storms in DC wash out 47's bullshit
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:09 PM
Thursday

... And if there is somebody up there, a well-placed lightening strike would be quite nice.

bdamomma

(68,548 posts)
71. Well the
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:08 AM
21 hrs ago

Pope will be remotely transmitting a message from Rome to Chicago sometime in the Saturday afternoon.

OldBaldy1701E

(8,024 posts)
72. Removing the 'assholes' is the start, not the culmination.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:39 AM
21 hrs ago

We need to address the things that have created the inequity that fueled this situation.

Otherwise, it will just happen again and again.

Response to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #17)

RVN VET71

(2,914 posts)
27. It's almost gone. The time to act is now.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Thursday

Noem actually said that these goons and ICE were they as "liberators". Sounds like something Castro might have said after Batista fled Cuba with the Rubio family.

Action, not words, now!

Jack Valentino

(2,296 posts)
65. I think many people, much like me, are engaged in a "slow burn" over everything going on----
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:27 PM
Thursday

and on Saturday, in over 1500 cities, many will stand up and be counted....


If they cross the line to shoot American citizens who protest against them,
then all bets will be off.

Tumbulu

(6,557 posts)
7. This is a war declaration.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:48 PM
Thursday

It is the T administration against the most populated and successful state in the former Union.

There is no more United States. It has been toppled before our eyes.

hamsterjill

(15,999 posts)
25. It is Noem explaining to her idiot followers WHY the military is being put in place.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
Thursday

As I've stated on here many times, I follow a former classmate on Facebook for shits and giggles. She is full on QAnon, and her page (which is public) is claiming that it's all starting - that martial law MUST be enacted to stop the Cabal, but that it will only be in place "for a little while".

Noem is stringing THESE idiots along for as LONG as she can so there's time to get the military in place and they don't realize what's happening.

If martial law is enacted, then it won't be "for just a little while".

malaise

(285,207 posts)
8. Which is why I told all DUers to make sure they hear every word she said
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:49 PM
Thursday

They are going to liberate California from Newsom and Bass.- a fucking coup.

senseandsensibility

(22,471 posts)
16. Thanks for reading
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:06 PM
Thursday

as depressing as it is, my friend. Still, I feel that this incident is energizing Democracy supporters in this country, and I hope that we can use it to that end.

haele

(14,285 posts)
10. Even using the Californians voted for this statement won't convince Nazis they're overstepping...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:53 PM
Thursday

They will just pull out the old lie that "Millions of Undocumented People" voted and overwhelmed the votes of the Real Californians.
Anything to reinforce their fantasy.
And you know after her press conference, Noem had her driver and personal assistants take her down Rodeo Drive for a nice shopping trip.

Trust_Reality

(2,185 posts)
24. I am not aware of any "R" politicians or Rump appointee who has ANY principles or integrity.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:41 PM
Thursday

They are fascist followers, chickens, and liars.

Karasu

(1,346 posts)
57. They dropped that ancient lie like a fucking hot potato as soon as they got the fascist government of their wet dreams.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:13 PM
Thursday

bdamomma

(68,548 posts)
20. This is not
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:32 PM
Thursday

good, they are thrusting themselves over state leaders and state rights. This is all Stephen Miller orders he wants his White Nationalist Country.

They are assaulting the state of California and its people.

0rganism

(25,146 posts)
26. Gavin Newsom:Bail Organa::California: Alderaan::Donald Trump:Sheev Palpatine
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
Thursday

Star Wars has put forth some mediocre content, but still goes hard for analogies.

ancianita

(40,625 posts)
28. Due to the president's his administration's harms done through word and deed against named CA leaders,
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Thursday

Gov Newsom should issue an executive order that flights from Washington, DC be banned from landing in CA.

The administration attacks CA, provokes rightful defense by CA.

Gangster tyrants attack and declare the victim's defense "attack".

Before the US, the felon's and his loyalist capos' promote their Big Lie against CA.

LostOne4Ever

(9,665 posts)
30. She doesn't know the difference between a liberation and occupation!
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:49 PM
Thursday

They plan to subvert the democratically elected government to force their will on a people who do not want it!

Damn corrupt fascist!

senseandsensibility

(22,471 posts)
49. At this point I wonder if it matters
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:29 PM
Thursday

She has made her objectives clear. And I am glad that she did because we can use it to fight those objectives.

GiqueCee

(2,346 posts)
31. Noem shot a puppy...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:54 PM
Thursday

... and Republican filth say, "Yeah? So what?"
That tells you all you need to know about these evil swine. Padilla had better press charges; letting this slide is NOT an option. NOT doing so only empowers them further. He has a civic duty to hang these fuckers by their short curlies. Figuratively speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh.

eppur_se_muova

(39,128 posts)
33. Thank you for this very necessary post.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:20 PM
Thursday

I didn't know that the Governor of a state could impose burdens on the whole country, much less that a Mayor could.

Every time blue states try to enforce their own voter-sanctioned -- and sometimes voter-initiated -- policies, Uglicans decide they must sacrifice their "states' rights" -- which are only occasionally paramount to Uglicans -- to the diktat of His Royal Majesty and the openly extremist subversives who put him in power.

Noem is obviously hoping to inherit the mantle of MAGA leadership after Turnip is toast, so she's trying to be at least as "Trumpy" as Turnip himself.

Hekate

(98,111 posts)
34. The trump admin doesn't leave anything to the imagination anymore. They've been telling us...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:20 PM
Thursday

…their plans for years. So here we are: on the threshold of a military coup.

SunSeeker

(55,999 posts)
39. As bad as the assault on Padilla was, what Noem said was worse.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Thursday

She is attempting an insurrection against the California state government, and to overturn the will of California voters.

annielion

(44 posts)
42. We won't have Trump or Vance for a total of 4 years.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:53 PM
Thursday

First, the exit polls are garbage. No one is monitoring the media, who give us the exit poll info. Second, many of the pre-election polls are also garbage, created by Republicans to skew the polls. Third, there is a great deal of day of election evidence of anomalous votes, showing the election was stolen. The proof of this is coming.
SmartElections.us , a nonpartisan watchdog group, is in the discovery phase of a lawsuit regarding evidence of anomalous votes in Rockland County, New York. SmartElections.us is comparing the ballots in Rockland, New York to the evidence. They may have the proof by September, their next trial date.
ElectionTruthAlliance.org (ETA) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization formed after the 2024 election. They have a great deal of evidence of anomalous votes. They want to do a forensic audit of 3 counties in Pennsylvania but so far the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania is not giving them permission to see the ballots. ETA may have to sue Pennsylvania to get access of ballots in the state.
There is encouraging information at both of these websites.

stillcool

(34,112 posts)
53. The press conference?
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:44 PM
Thursday
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-noem-holds-briefing-on-immigration-raids-and-response-to-los-angeles-protests

she pushed every button I didn't know I had. Enjoy! And those few sentences about freeing the state, not leaving the state are all over the place. It's scary stuff

Wingus Dingus

(9,085 posts)
52. I thought they were there to round up and deport illegal immigrants.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:44 PM
Thursday

I didn't know they sent in military to depose California's elected leaders. That's something very different.

Attilatheblond

(6,256 posts)
54. Combine what she and Tom Homan (neither of them very bright or stratigic) said and we know where it's going
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:50 PM
Thursday

Homan called for arresting CA Governor and LA Mayor. Can he cite one single law they have violated? NO! He just wants them locked up because they dared to go beyond 'a strongly worded letter'. THAT, ladies & gents is America under the Trump regime; lock up those who will not be silent to a fascist takeover and military force in our streets, masked men (without identification or warrants) kidnapping at will, and self appointed vigilantes posing as ICE agents doing what the hell they want just because they bought a tactical vest and pinned on some phony insignia or label.

If Trump had half a brain, he'd be cancelling any/all appearances. The people who want total control don't really need him anymore but know he could be more helpful to them as a rally cry rather than the pretend 'leader' he plays on TV

orchidlady

(18 posts)
56. moreover....
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:07 PM
Thursday

her reason for doing this is... ideological!!

no crime, just... political inclination. one they've demonized to an orwellian degree for decades.

not likely to fly in court. assuming courts will continue to be allowed.

Grins

(8,465 posts)
58. "We are...here to liberate the city from the socialists and ....(the) governor"
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:13 PM
Thursday

Show me where that is in your job description? THAT’S NOT YOUR JOB!!!!

raccoon

(31,875 posts)
68. I wish somebody could remind the blockhead that her parents and grandparents get that "socialist" Medicare.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:22 AM
23 hrs ago

But it wouldn't register with an idiot like her.

underpants

(191,022 posts)
60. Just another cultist trying to outdo the rest of the cult
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:20 PM
Thursday

She’s a member of the cabinet for F’s sake.

BigmanPigman

(53,169 posts)
67. I wish her poor, dead dog would get KARMA
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:56 AM
Yesterday

and bite her into tiny, little chew toys. This vial *$%# needs to be "put down" for real, permanently.

DFW

(58,229 posts)
69. Yeah, but California has SOOOO many more people than South Dakota
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:46 AM
22 hrs ago

She is just jealous.

And how much longer do we have to endure this "socialist" BS coming from Republican mouths. The ones whose actions, events and pronouncements most resemble those of the failed socialist regimes of the past are the Republicans themselves. If you want to find some socialists, oh Republican clowns, do not look to Democrats, but, rather, in the mirror. You may not be for anything that is part of the socialist ideal, but you in every way represent the worst of what socialism becomes when put into practice by control freaks looking for a pretext to control people.

kkmarie

(189 posts)
73. What's Krasnov's game? Regime wants to liberate California
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 08:54 AM
19 hrs ago

Does that mean Krasnov wants to "own California " ? You know for it's riches? California has the only rare earth mineral mine in the states. Between the mine and the California coffers it would make Krasnov "bigly " rich
Sure he likes the power of this all, but his bottom line is money

https://californiacurated.com/2025/01/29/the-mountain-pass-mine-in-california-may-be-the-u-s-rare-earths-game-changer/

flamingdem

(40,502 posts)
77. Let's face it. They're going to get most of what they want
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 11:10 AM
17 hrs ago

Going forward Trump will have consolidated power. It will be quite the task to remove him and his minions.

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