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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County
"These data would require extreme sociological or political causes for their explanation," a statistician said
https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787
A lawsuit disputing the results of the 2024 election has moved forward after it was revealed that former Vice President Kamala Harris received no votes a New York state district.
A seminal case calling the results of the presidential race as well as state senate races into question has advanced. The case refers to the results of the election in Rockland County, New York, with Judge Rachel Tanguay of the New York Supreme Court ruling that a full hand recount must occur following the discovery.
The case's lead plaintiff is SMART Legislation, the action arm of SMART Elections, a non-partisan group that advocates for voting security and voter rights.
"There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely," Lulu Friesdat, founder and executive director of SMART Legislation, said in a statement.

Torchlight
(4,834 posts)My hope is a statistically impossi9ble error occurred, my expectations however, are... well, not errors,
brush
(60,214 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)
TheProle
(3,417 posts)Older article but detailed.
Interesting stats from Obama v McCain, Obama v. Romney
brush
(60,214 posts)I say chicanery was afoot.
TheProle
(3,417 posts)But the experts are experts for a reason and theres substantial evidence that it happens.
brush
(60,214 posts)Response to TheProle (Reply #106)
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MorbidButterflyTat
(3,116 posts)It's a silly conspiracy theory to consider a corrupt convicted felon who commanded hundreds of his MAGAt thugs to attack the Capitol in order to invalidate President Biden's election win and install his rancid carcass back in the White House and who's pals with Putin and slimy Musk just might cheat in the last election???? He won ALL the swing states fair and square??
Talk about waking up!! JFC.
Jedi Guy
(3,342 posts)By all means, please do share this compelling proof, keeping in mind that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You'd have me believe that the entire Democratic Party, from Joe Biden on down, has access to this extraordinary evidence and has done nothing with it? You'd have me believe that Kamala Harris has access to this extraordinary evidence and yet meekly conceded defeat, knowing full well what her silence would cost the people of America? You'd have me believe that of the hundreds of people Trump would need to pull off such a scheme, not one of them would spill the beans? You do recall how his first administration was plagued with leaks, yes? And yet now it's suddenly a shadowy, impenetrable conspiracy?
The more plausible explanation is that Trump won, yes. Including all the swing states. Otherwise I must believe that the Democratic Party is so weak, so cowardly, that they dare not present this compelling evidence and are meekly standing aside, and I must simultaneously believe that Trump miraculously became competent this one time and then went back to being his usual bumbling, inept self. I simply can't believe that both of those things are true, and I've seen no compelling evidence to the contrary.
Talk about waking up, indeed.
Clouds Passing
(5,096 posts)And yes the Democratic politicians and pundits need to start standing up for themselves, democracy and us! Not the time to chicken out!
Happy Hoosier
(8,948 posts)These people ARE speaking up. They are filing a lawsuit. Either they have evidence, or they don't. If the results are as they claim, something went wrong. It could be an honest glitch. But we should know.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,262 posts)If the experts say it happens, then it happens. It drives me crazy when people who study something at an indepth level are pushed aside by people to whom the thing the experts know happens "sounds weird."
I have my master's in media studies and specifically if youth learn information from the media. They don't. Unless they are already predisposed to that information. The number of people that argue against me that video games make kids violent and books make kids gay is staggering. I know more than most people about this. I spent two years of my life studying it. How about we listen to the election experts since they know what they are talking about and we don't sound like we are fighting that ivermectin worked for Uncle Bobby.
ailsagirl
(24,196 posts)Tribetime
(6,589 posts)MadameButterfly
(3,045 posts)Bob_in_VA
(103 posts)Unless the county's population is so small that there is only one precinct (unlikely, but maybe not impossible) your point is irrelevant.
From the Google
Rockland County/Population
340,807 (2023)
TheProle
(3,417 posts)Wingus Dingus
(9,081 posts)in one district and not one single person in that same district voted for Harris.
appmanga
(1,167 posts)thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:25 AM - Edit history (1)
This was Ramapo district 35, which had a total of 554 voters.
https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)They vote as a bloc, and they cast their vote for the candidate they are told to support by their religious leaders. In this election, it was Trump, because Harris was not perceived to be sufficiently pro-Israel.
legallyblondeNYC
(93 posts)appmanga
(1,167 posts)returnee
(568 posts)why there is so much resistance to the idea that the election results were rigged.
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)Its like they would do anything, swear to anything to avoid hand counting the paper ballots
MadameButterfly
(3,045 posts)hamsterjill
(15,973 posts)I don't understand what could possibly be wrong with investigating this. Either it did or it did not happen, but let's be sure.
EdmondDantes_
(526 posts)Because there's no way to actually do what is claimed. Because the claimed evidence falls apart under scrutiny. The so-called bullet ballots, this claim that starts with a specific district in a county that is then transposed to being the entire county and when that's pointed out, that's ignored. When there's evidence as to why the specific district voted as it did, and shown that it's happened before, that's ignored.
returnee
(568 posts)
electiontruthalliance.org if you havent already. I have to admit I had only my gut to go on at first, but when my gut tells me something I look to see if theres anything that might support it. I found these folks and I found there was statistical analysis that could suggest my gut knows something.
I would suggest you tell them what they found is not possible.
TheProle
(3,417 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
returnee
(568 posts)at least in your mind. But it seems to me you are the one not seeking contradictory evidence. I offered some, you have but to look at it.
EdmondDantes_
(526 posts)Drop off rate difference isn't actually evidence especially with a candidate as out of the norm as Trump. They never actually link to their data and when I tried to follow the Clark County data the county site doesn't present the breakdown of the vote curve that they claim shows after 250 votes the trend went towards Trump. The data by machine doesn't appear to be on the county website. Unless they can actually show the data from the source that shows what they claim, it's not convincing.
The Pennsylvania evidence is Trump saying vote counting machines and Musk, but given the quote also has Trump saying he won in a landslide, kind of hard to take anything Trump says as true. And then it's just a bunch of random anecdotes of machine failure or bomb threats seemingly not to the actual voting locations. They even noted that the reported machine issues had limited impact, but that in theory it gave an opportunity for malicious actors. That's not even remotely convincing.
FBaggins
(28,110 posts)We're supposed to believe that four years ago was the cleanest election in our history yet somhow while we controlled the White House (and very likely every lever of control over this county's elections) the 2024 election was somehow hacked... and the evidence can be found in a deep blue precinct in a deep blue county - where cheating could not possibly benefit Trump.
returnee
(568 posts)where I refer to a group of statisticians who have some analysis to offer. Go argue with them, if you dare.
FBaggins
(28,110 posts)2. New Square, New York:
Though New Square, in Rockland County, continues to grow, it still only provides about 3,500 votes in a Congressional district with 350,000 voters. As a bloc, though, this 1% of the vote can be an important strategic asset in a close race. So, though the presidential vote was deeply red, the community was able to deliver strategic votes to the Democrats. The leadership is still able to deliver a bloc vote, as you can see by the extremely high percentage of votes to the prescribed choices (Over 90% in each case), irrespective of party affiliation.
Donald Trump (R) 3,456 votes, Kamala Harris (D) 12.
Mike Lawler (R) 3,421 votes, Mondaire Jones (D) 23.
Elijah Reichlin-Melnick (D) 3,191 votes, Bill Weber (R) 207.
Aron Wieder (D) 3,376 votes, John McGowan (R) 55.
returnee
(568 posts)Republicans always lie and always try to cheat in elections.
This has nothing to do with that.
yobrault1
(180 posts)2024 and got hammered for even questioning the results. I decided then not to raise the question again until someone, somewhere brought this up. DU can be a hostile place at times. Many viewers outside the USA don't understand why no one, no one has looked into the data. The desire to not look like conspiracy kooks is allowing the crooks to get away with stealing the government and killing democracy. I just don't understand the apathy.
Silent Type
(9,963 posts)Don't believe the 528 - 0 in 2020, check here:
https://www.rightdatausa.com/election_results?y=2020&t=P&r=N&s=NY&c=087&d=all&pr=Y&WhichMap=vs
Wingus Dingus
(9,081 posts)brush
(60,214 posts)Silent Type
(9,963 posts)brush
(60,214 posts)Silent Type
(9,963 posts)brush
(60,214 posts)KPN
(16,692 posts)
I'm guessing it's not new, but first time I've ever heard (or read) it.
brush
(60,214 posts)KPN
(16,692 posts)Ponietz
(3,883 posts)That was a cheap shot. So was moron and idiot.
I dont believe the election was stolen simply because our good Democratic officials and representatives havent raised the issue. Conspiracy theories, without more evidence, are kool-aid.
Silent Type
(9,963 posts)trump twice.
I grew up in South, thus knew there were a lot of racist/bigoted rubes who fall for the trumps of the world. I just didn't know there were that many.
Ponietz
(3,883 posts)Its the 90 million ignorant, apathetic Americans who didnt vote, knowing what was at stake, that flabbergasts me.
This thread is an interesting example of rabid group think. CTs are like viruses.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)It's a very small district in a very conservative Hasidic Jew community. They vote as a bloc, for whoever they are told to vote for by their religious leader.
Harris did not pass their litmus test for being sufficiently pro-Israel (neither did Biden in the previous election).
brush
(60,214 posts)Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)This is a small district (just over 500 votes cast) and it is ultra-orthodox Hasidic Jew. They have a history of voting as a bloc. It is utterly predictable results from this area.
brush
(60,214 posts)Absolute rethug bullshit spin.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)There's simply no point in cheating some tiny district with 500+ votes in New York State, which is solid blue.
DiamondShark
(1,151 posts)Recounting this district is a lousy idea. If I know the media and MAGA crowd, they will use this to prove trump's win.
Looking forward to be proven wrong though.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)These are two very different scenarios.
I'm still open to the possibility that there was cheating in the swing states, where it mattered. It just didn't happen in a tiny district of ultra-conservative Hasidic Jews in New York.
LauraInLA
(2,154 posts)Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)It's an extremely conservative Hasidic Jew community. They vote as they are told to vote by their religious leaders.
Once you know that demographic information, the voting tally results make perfect sense.
Doodley
(11,046 posts)Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)She's politically savvy and very exasperated with all the hysteria around these results.
The district in question is Hasidic Jew, extremely conservative, and they vote the way they are told to vote by their religious leaders. They see Trump as pro-Israel, much more so than Harris, and they vote as a bloc.
End of story.
cadoman
(1,328 posts)onenote
(45,312 posts)They were in a few wards within the "district" of Ramapo. Ramapo is the largest town in Rockland County, making up around 44 percent of the population. It is divided, for voting purposes, into 122 distinct "wards". While these wards vary in size, they average around 1220 people (not just voters) per ward. Some of those same wards cast 0 votes for Biden in 2020.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)It's NOT Rockland County, it's a single very small district , and that district is in a community that votes as a bloc.
Jack Valentino
(2,286 posts)federal election results..... but it raises questions about the accuracy of results just about anywhere else!
BoRaGard
(5,697 posts)
OMGWTF
(4,768 posts)Remember, "I don't need your votes and Elon has the magic computer"? Also, Eloon was captured on camera speculating how many years in prison he's get if T💩p didn't win.
returnee
(568 posts)to his appearance at the Black Journalists conference at which he was so openly racially offensive. No one in such a close race (according to polls), who actually wanted to win, would act in such a way. His later statements confirmed he knew it was fixed.
mahina
(19,804 posts)My dad used to say nobody will ever treat you better than they treat their own family
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,116 posts)

Buns_of_Fire
(18,486 posts)SWBTATTReg
(25,393 posts)unbelievable as anything any of us can come up with. Fraud.
Why is it coming out now? Why haven't they immediately isolated the resulted the skewed results immediately and held up including these fake results from lawful tallies?
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)They were counted with the same software that gave harris a clearly false result in one precinct , why assume any of its reporting is accurate?
Basso8vb
(1,121 posts)questionseverything
(10,905 posts)There is no reason to trust any of the results posted
returnee
(568 posts)This was likely the case in, at least, Pennsylvania, say some statisticians.
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)When we see incorrect results in one district for one candidate, why assume any other results are correct?
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)This tiny district (just over 500 votes) was not some test case for fraud and corruption. It was the quite predictable outcome from a community of ultra-conservative Hasidic Jews that vote as a bloc, according to the dictates of their religious leaders. They went 0 for Biden in 2020, too.
Harris wasn't sufficiently pro-Israel for them, so they voted for Trump. Utterly predictable for this specific, unified community.
Basso8vb
(1,121 posts)questionseverything
(10,905 posts)ProfessorGAC
(73,046 posts)...do not conclude "impossible". They can quantify improbability, but "impossible" is a subjective judgment.
So, statisticians have not established it to be impossible.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)There were zero votes cast for Harris because this particular area is an extreme right-wing Hasidic Jew community. They vote as a bloc, exactly as they're told by their religious leaders.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)And those general voting patterns DO NOT APPLY to this very specific area of NY. It's a Hasidic Jewish community that typically votes as one bloc, just as they're told to by their religious leaders.
This is not proof of cheating, it's just a quirk of demographics. They will not tolerate any candidate who is not staunchly pro-Israel and Harris didn't meet their criteria; Trump did. End of story.
Wiz Imp
(5,371 posts)0 votes for a candidate in a single precinct is nowhere near "statistically impossible" It happens many times in every election across probably all states. It happened in Philadelphia in 2012 with Romney getting 0 votes in DOZENS of precincts. I guess that's proof that Obama cheated.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/
Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud
Another prime example was Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland, where Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in the 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. There were also 27 other precincts statewide in Ohio where Romney only received one vote, like in Dayton, where one precinct went 599-1 for Obama. There were two small precincts in the Buckeye State where Obama received no votes.
One of the more interesting states in 2012 was Louisiana, where 75 precincts won by Obama did not give a single vote to Romney - but, there were also 46 other precincts won by Romney where Obama did not get one vote. Lincoln Parish, in northern Louisiana was notable, because that parish had nine precincts where Barack Obama did not get a single vote, and also seven other precincts where Mitt Romney did not receive one vote. All in the same county.
And these kind of results did not happen only in 2012. Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."
Wingus Dingus
(9,081 posts)always vote as a bloc and heavily favored Trump, but I guess also liked Gillibrand? I'm still skeptical.
Prairie Gates
(5,228 posts)Indicating that they voted for Kamela. For what it's worth. There were districts that voted 98%+ for Obama and for Biden. I don't recall ever seeing a 100% district, Hasidim or no.
Scrivener7
(55,967 posts)no votes for Harris? That's patently absurd. That's like saying there were no Harris votes in Westchester, which is next door to Rockland.
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:27 AM - Edit history (1)
https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024It's Ramapo 35.
Scrivener7
(55,967 posts)returnee
(568 posts)Its an obvious and inarguable glitch of some kind? Malicious or accidental. Dont believe it? I have some swamp land for you to consider.
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)cadoman
(1,328 posts)Bluetus
(1,136 posts)people threatened to flag me for CTs?
Reportedly there are MULTIPLE polling sites where Gillibrand got a normal number of votes and Harris got zero. We are 8 months after the election and only now we MIGHT get a hand recount?
Obviously the election is not going to be invalidated, but equally obviously, there are serious issues here and they should be investigated aggressively. If saying that makes me a CTist, then so be it.
markpkessinger
(8,761 posts)So even if the entire Hasidic community voted as a bloc, the results are still HIGHLY suspect!
Wingus Dingus
(9,081 posts)in one (Hasidic Jewish) district in particular she received zero votes although Gillibrand received several hundred--so, dramatic ticket splitting in one district.
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)onenote
(45,312 posts)Others, however, voted overwhelmingly for trump on the one hand and overwhelmingly for Gillibrand on the other.
For example, in Ramapo ward 55, Trump won 986 to 2. but Gillibrand won 909 to 42. On the other hand. In Ramapo ward 18, Trump won 424 to 22 and Gillibrand lost 293 to 37.
Without knowing more about the make-up of these wards, it's hard to judge the results.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)She succeeded, but Harris did not.
I don't live in New York anymore, so I don't know all the details. But a friend of mine -- very politically active Democrat -- who has lived there all her life, quickly dispelled my qualms about any voting chicanery in that district.
Yes, it's a community of Hasidic Jews that vote as a bloc.
Prairie Gates
(5,228 posts)her own vote tallies.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)It's a small district of just over 500 votes, and it is smack dab in the middle of a conservative Hasidic Jew community that votes as a bloc.
The went Biden 0 in 2020 as well.
Every single person votes the way they are told to vote by their religious leaders. And neither Harris or Biden is viewed as sufficiently pro-Israel to warrant their support. End of story.
beveeheart
(1,484 posts)
DENVERPOPS
(12,547 posts)paid by Dems in the 2000 election, the 2004 election, the 2016 election........
There were documented cases of pure dem precincts with all votes going to W, and none for the Dem......hinting at voting being flipped, or fraudulent compilation......etc etc etc..........same thing in the Kerrey voting....... Not at all unlike EVERY single swing state going to Trump in 2024????
Palast and Hartman, two highly respected Journalists, are the only ones to do statistical research on the probability of that being statistically ludicrous........ and NOT ONE Dem took the ball and ran an in depth investigation on it last I heard......
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)The specific district in question had only 500+ votes to count and it's in the middle of an ultra-conservative Hasidic Jew community. They have a history of voting as a single bloc, for the candidate their religious leaders support.
Harris lost that support because she was not sufficiently hawkish/pro-Israel for them. Gillibrand worked hard to find other common ground so she managed to get their support.
This same district went 0 for Biden in 2020. THEY VOTE AS A BLOC.
multigraincracker
(35,820 posts)Like, we better hide now.
malaise
(285,154 posts)doubting malaise re the November elections
Blue Owl
(56,491 posts)peggysue2
(11,907 posts)Doubting Peggysue, here.
returnee
(568 posts)usaf-vet
(7,549 posts)brush
(60,214 posts)Karasu
(1,342 posts)Hornedfrog2000
(240 posts)Now it doesnt matter if it comes out, because its too late. See how it works???
Google says rockland population is just over 340,000. I see the odds of her getting 0 votes, if it is accurate, at 0%.
Now how do they convince us it was the only county it happened in, and it was a fluke error not possible anywhere else?
Prairie Gates
(5,228 posts)Obviously, if Harris received no votes in a county of 340,000 people there would be an investigation. We're talking about a district with under 300 votes. Still suspicious, of course, but not ludicrous.
Scrivener7
(55,967 posts)change the state totals. I would have picked a County in a Purple state.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,994 posts)And does anything about that man or his campaign make any sense?
Quakerfriend
(5,847 posts)the popular vote too.
Auggie
(32,342 posts)To steal every vote is a dead giveaway unless one is just extremely stupid.
Prairie Gates
(5,228 posts)Scrivener7
(55,967 posts)and a little of Duchess county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_congressional_districts
onenote
(45,312 posts)And the district of Ramapo has over 120 separate "wards" and around a half dozen of them recorded no votes for Harris. There also were a number of wards that recorded less than 1 percent of the votes for Harris, and other wards that were won by Harris.
I'm not saying that there aren't statistical anomalies, but we're not talking about a large Congressional district, but a smallish part of Rockland County and even smaller units -- wards -- within that district.
Scrivener7
(55,967 posts)thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)onenote
(45,312 posts)Pretty much isolated to wards in Ramapo, which is part of Rockland County. And in 2020, Biden got zero votes in a few of those same wards.
Response to onenote (Reply #55)
Scrivener7 This message was self-deleted by its author.
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)Exactly as you said, there's no point to cheating in NY State.
The area in question is Hasidic Jew, an extreme right-wing of Hasidic Jew. They vote as a BLOC, exactly as they're told to vote. They voted for Trump because he is perceived as pro-Israel. They are hard-liners, and Harris doesn't pass their litmus test for supporting Israel without question.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,423 posts)While this zero votes thing is weird, I dont see what the point would be in fixing it there.
An experiment maybe?
It would make more sense in the battlegrounds.
littlemissmartypants
(27,904 posts)2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances
121 million views for our Rockland County Lawsuit Press Release on the AP
Press Release APnews.com 8:01 AM EDT, May 29, 2025
by Lulu Friesdat
May 31, 2025
NEW CITY, NY / ACCESS Newswire / May 29, 2025 / A seminal case questioning the accuracy of the 2024 Presidential and Senate election results in Rockland County, New York, is moving forward. In open court last Thursday, Judge Rachel Tanguay of the New York Supreme Court, ruled that discovery must proceed, pushing the lawsuit brought by SMART Legislation into the evidence-gathering stage. The lawsuit seeks a full hand recount of the Presidential and U.S. Senate races in Rockland County.
SMART Legislation, the action arm of SMART Elections, is the lead plaintiff in the case. Both organizations are dedicated to ensuring fair and accurate elections.
There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely, stated Lulu Friesdat, Founder and Executive Director of SMART Legislation. If the results are incorrect, it is a violation of the constitutional rights of each person who voted in the 2024 Rockland County general election. The best way to determine if the results are correct is to examine the paper ballots in a full public, transparent hand recount of all presidential and senate ballots in Rockland County. We believe its vitally important, especially in the current environment, to be absolutely confident about the results of the election.
As stated in the complaint, more voters have sworn they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections counted and certified, directly contradicting those results. Additionally, the presidential election results exhibit numerous statistical anomalies. The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
Snip...much more...
https://freepress.org/article/2024-presidential-and-senate-results-called-question-lawsuit-advances
I posted this in the NY Group.
https://democraticunderground.com/106829404
Pacifist Patriot
(24,994 posts)Voter turnout was 71%.
I think the weirdness may be that Harris' 65,880 votes represents 70% of registered Democrats and Trump's 83,543 votes represents 160% of registered Republicans. When you combine all the other registered voters (whatever CON, WOR, OTH, and BLANK are), his vote totals would be 71% of all registered voters who are NOT Democrats. And folks who don't align with either party don't vote as a block.
It is incredibly unlikely that he would win that county with 55.4% of the vote and Kamala with only 43.7%. Registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by 93,934 to 52,077.
Whites and Hispanics account for over 80% of the population in the county, but even I have a hard time believing that racism and misogyny swung that many registered Democrats from Harris to Trump.
onenote
(45,312 posts)Silent Type
(9,963 posts)questionseverything
(10,905 posts)One theory is the result is predetermined and the different precincts or districts just fill in randomly and thats why we find non sensical numbers like this
Silent Type
(9,963 posts)questionseverything
(10,905 posts)I will wear that label proudly but you realize you are the on stalins side, right?
He said, it doesnt matter who votes, only who counts the votes
Silent Type
(9,963 posts)like trumpsters who couldnt believe their guy lost in 2020.
More importantly, we need to quit convincing people their votes dont count. When you sit home because you dont believe in voting system and/or candidates, you lose.
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #25)
MichMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,994 posts)ultralite001
(1,764 posts)Fascinating reading...
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=5E1/Fc_PLUS_rWASPlhLKP7dKOQ==
Here's more from SMART Elections:
https://smartelections.us/home
ultralite001
(1,764 posts)ultralite001
(1,764 posts)from Feehan v. Wisconsin Elections Commission, 2:20-cv-01771...
w/ info about Pro V & V...
https://ia801709.us.archive.org/28/items/gov.uscourts.wied.92717/gov.uscourts.wied.92717.1.21.pdf
Fil1957
(94 posts)Wingus Dingus
(9,081 posts)received zero votes.
Prairie Gates
(5,228 posts)Not the whole county. Jesus.
onenote
(45,312 posts)But not all wards in Ramapo. Biden got zero votes in some of those same wards in 2020.
onenote
(45,312 posts)You can see the County-by-County results. It shows that Harris received 63,816 votes as the Democratic party nominee and another 2,064 votes as the Working Families Party nominee. Trump received 77,318 votes as the Repub nominee and 6225 votes as the Conservative party nominee. This is a county that went for Biden by only 2600 or so votes in 2020.
Can someone explain how it is being claimed there were no votes recorded for Harris in Rockland County when the official, certified results show otherwise?
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)onenote
(45,312 posts)questionseverything
(10,905 posts)MichMan
(15,249 posts)Why give anything following that any credibility?
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)Nm , you would have to read the article to understand that
MichMan
(15,249 posts)Apparently journalism isn't it
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,278 posts)I thought it would be too long in the subject box:
"Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County"
Luckily I'm not in journalism, right?
UnderThisLaw
(330 posts)a lawsuit arent impacted by how the press reports on them? But you already knew that
thesquanderer
(12,649 posts)Amaryllis
(10,457 posts)Silent Type
(9,963 posts)Allegation: Zero votes for 2024 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris in Rockland County, New York, precinct proves Elon Musk hacked 2024 presidential election.
Explanation of why she didn't get votes.
""The screenshots showed accurate vote totals, but the results are not surprising or an example of hacking or fraud, experts told PolitiFact. Theyre the result of a town with a large Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish population bloc voting in support of their rabbis endorsed candidates."
"The 2024 Ramapo results mirrored its 2020 presidential vote. That year, Trump bested former President Joe Biden 528-0 in precinct 35. In the 2022 midterm elections, Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul lost to her Republican opponent, Lee Zeldin, 408 to 24 in that same precinct, which also overwhelmingly voted to reelect Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., over his Republican opponent, Joe Pinion, 266 to 113.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/
Don't believe the 528 - 0 in 2020, check here:
https://www.rightdatausa.com/election_results?y=2020&t=P&r=N&s=NY&c=087&d=all&pr=Y&WhichMap=vs
Of course, Harris won the state so even if somehow the votes were hacked, it wouldn't make a difference.
Seinan Sensei
(997 posts)you will NEVER find a 528-0 response
Never, ever
Even if people (ostensibly) vote in a bloc
Prof once said, there is NO survey so perfectly written that somebody somewhere will not misunderstand or misconstrue.
Or inadvertently check yes
when they meant to check no
Silent Type
(9,963 posts)Wiz Imp
(5,371 posts)Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud
Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.
In 2012 in Pennsylvania, it wasn't just Philadelphia that had precincts give no votes to Romney, as it also happened in Pittsburgh, and two suburban precincts outside of Philadelphia. That pattern was repeated in cities like Detroit, where there were 31 precincts that went to Obama in which Romney did not get a single vote, with many of those precincts delivering well over 400 votes each to Obama - another big city area with a high concentration of black supporters and few Republicans.
What I found were hundreds of precincts around the nation where Romney didn't get a single vote, and many precincts where President Obama was shutout as well.
Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."
There's many more examples in the article.
MichMan
(15,249 posts)How can that be?
Joinfortmill
(18,196 posts)Javaman
(64,042 posts)it's a very slow burn.
drip drip drip.
amassing more and more evidence...quietly.
EdmondDantes_
(526 posts)It literally doesn't say what the headline is saying.
The article says that in one district with 331 votes, Harris received 0 votes. What's the socio-economic make up of that district? As noted elsewhere in the thread, there are pockets of Hasidic Jewish populations that vote as a bloc.
Grim Chieftain
(214 posts)this election was stolen.
Jose Garcia
(3,215 posts)Grim Chieftain
(214 posts)Nice try.
tritsofme
(19,251 posts)Botany
(74,391 posts)If that internet fact is true then Musk and others must have been into the data.
Besides Trump and Musks statements confirming that they were into the data but
I have 3 cases that showed me Trump knew the fix was in:
Trumps visit to Arlington National Cemetery where he disobeyed the rules and
took videos and pictures where it was forbidden to do so. That act alone must
have cost him at least a million votes from the military and those associated with
it.
Trumps talk about the size of Arnold Palmers penis in his home town of LaTrobe,
Pa. Im friends with a family who had a relative who was a club pro in a N.E. Ohio
course and he was good friends with Mr. Palmer (that is what older members of the
family called him) and through out their lives Arnold treated him with class and respect.
That crass comment about the size of Palmers dick would not have sat well with old
school golf people or among the people who knew Mr. Palmer.
Trump in front of an audience and on camera masturbated a mic stand and acted as
if he was giving a blow job to a microphone.
And in Sept of 2024 Trump said I dont need anymore votes.
H2O Man
(76,914 posts)There has been some interesting media coverage on this.
C Moon
(12,907 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(3,071 posts)one district was for Trump.
Sympthsical
(10,662 posts)A staggering amount of misinformation is required to perpetuate them.
And there is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Not even basic research. Just straight-up untrue statements and assumptions based on half- or completely unread articles, context, and follow up information.
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)Because they believe its worth looking at
Sympthsical
(10,662 posts)Where people seem to believe an entire county is involved instead of small areas with historical voting patterns.
And then that misinformation gets repeated. And repeated. And repeated.
Even the headline gives that false impression.
It's really painful to observe this sort of thing. I yearn for a world of logic, factual analysis, empiricism, and common sense.
But nooooooooo. Someone had to invent the Internet.
EdmondDantes_
(526 posts)But yes, it's often painful watching people not read the actual article which contradicts the headline and the historical pattern which the article leaves out.
questionseverything
(10,905 posts)How can you be so sure when its so easy to know?
People in that district have signed affidavits swearing they voted for Harris, of course it should be checked
angryxyouth
(236 posts)There are peer reviewed statistical analysis of the swing states in which they found anomalies which point to electronic vote manipulation. In addition to smartelections.us there is also https://electiontruthalliance.org/
They also have a youtube channel which is easier to understand.
angryxyouth
(236 posts)Snip
A new statistical analysis by a leading election forensics expert has identified irregularities in Pennsylvanias 2024 presidential vote count, prompting questions about the elections integrity and calls for further investigation.
Dr. Walter R. Mebane Jr., a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan Report.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-165625470
Emile
(35,078 posts)capable of STEALING AN ELECTION four years later.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,116 posts)there are plenty of people willing to give this wretched scumbag convicted felon rapist conman pathological liar who is currently siccing the military on civilians in America the benefit of the doubt.
Sickening.
greatauntoftriplets
(177,742 posts)Butterflylady
(4,441 posts)Secret but he wouldn't share it till after the election. Well, what was it?
BidenRocks
(1,616 posts)A single YES indicates fraud!
Tree Lady
(12,446 posts)who voted for Harris to please call.
Historic NY
(39,022 posts)The Board of Elections reports.
Harris
43.68% votes 65,880
Trump
55.39% Votes 83,543
Ramapo working families party show low votes in a number of districts. Ramapo also has a 92k Jewish population
https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024]
Evolve Dammit
(20,773 posts)Nululu
(1,084 posts)Lots of evidence that election manipulated
COL Mustard
(7,419 posts)Even in Chickasaw, Alabama she received over 800 votes. That used to be a segregated town, and while I'm not surprised Trump won it, he didn't win by nearly as much as I expected.
On the other hand, he won the Blount High School precinct pretty handily (used to be 99% African American). Methinks there is something rotten int the state of Denmark. Oh wait...he probably won that too.
no_hypocrisy
(51,829 posts)in Rockland County, who knowingly and purposely cast their votes for Kamala Harris?
The voting machines need impounded and examination as well as the county Board of Elections which collected the municipal vote tallies.
flashman13
(1,277 posts)and here is how we did it". They also have the receipts.
So what? Who cares? Who are we going to find to prosecute the case? You can start court cases all you want, but they will just grind on for years eventually arriving at the dead end of Trump's personal SCOTUS.
My point is that that we should focus 100% of our efforts in undermining Trump and Co now in order to push him out the door as quick as possible. Then when Trump is gone and we have a real AG we can add, conspiring to fix the vote in the 2024 race, to the massive mountain of crimes committed by the regime.
ffr
(23,194 posts)Hello N.Y. Secretary of State's office. I believe this is your department. Is there anyone over there who can verify the election totals?
Wiz Imp
(5,371 posts)There was NOT a county where Harris received 0 votes. That headline is 100% FALSE.
I'm sure there are several precincts or districts across the country where one of the candidates received 0 votes. It's not remotely any evidence of fraud that the writer thinks it is.
Random Boomer
(4,332 posts)Complete paranoia over a total nothing-burger.
This tiny district (only 500+ votes) has a history of voting as a bloc. It's an ultra-conservative community of Hasidic Jews, who also went 0 for Biden in 2020.
They vote for who they are told to vote for by their religious leaders. It's that simple.
Farmer-Rick
(11,760 posts)For president by the dancing Supremes.
There is plenty of evidence to indicate fraud in our elections. But it never gets investigated. There is plenty of probable cause to investigate. But Not even Trump did an actual investigation. When W rigged it in Florida, the vote count eventually showed, if all votes were counted, W would have lost. And yet no real transparent improvement was made to our voting systems.
I think in this point in history, it's time to prove the process is fair and unbiased even if an idiot like pedo Trump complains.
Ponietz
(3,883 posts)Puppyjive
(733 posts)If one person claims to have voted for Kamala, clearly something is wrong.
RandomNumbers
(18,656 posts)I read a few comments above. There are reasons to believe the count is accurate. There are reasons to believe it is not.
That is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of having HAND-COUNTABLE PAPER BALLOTS.
My only question is WHY the F*** did it take so long for a hand recount to be ordered, if there was just cause for it?
Meanwhile we should be glad there are ballots to recount.
Martin68
(25,926 posts)Wiz Imp
(5,371 posts)


Yes the headline in the original post is COMPLETELY FALSE and really needs to be corrected. But if people simply read the portion of the article excerpted in the OP, they would see it referred to a "district", NOT a county.
And for people who think that 0 votes for a candidate in an individual precinct is impossible, not only is it possible IT HAPPENS IN HUNDREDS OF PRECINCTS EVERY ELECTION!!!!
This article has many many examples:
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/
A brief excerpt:
"If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."
So if you think the "district" in New York PROVES Trump cheated, then this proves that Obama cheated in 2008. Of course Obama didn't win all of the votes in 477 precincts in 2008 by cheating, it happened due to the make up of those precincts. Just like Trump won all of the votes in this NY district because of the make up of the district as well, NOT by cheating.
Bernardo de La Paz
(56,338 posts)yellow dahlia
(2,509 posts)HarryM
(375 posts)I could see this district voting for only one candidate. It is an Chassidic religious community, where the people close the town on their religious holidays. It is probably the most backward communities in NY. Harris wasnt totally pro Zionist, so it is entirely possible that this community unanimously voted for Nectarine Nero.
More about this closed community here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
While noodling around about this village, I found this: https://www.jns.org/satmar-chassidic-rebbe-in-kiryas-joel-ny-endorses-trump/
It is essentially a story in a Jewish news website stating that the local rebbe of this Chassidic sect has endorsed Don the Con. The story dates back to late October 2024.
This is why, I believe that it is entirely possible that they all voted for whoever their religious leader endorsed. It seems to be the way they roll.
onenote
(45,312 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2025, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)
The locations where Harris received zero or next to zero votes are located in certain wards in the Town of Ramapo. There are over 120 such wards in Ramapo, averaging 1220 people per ward -- people, not voters). Within Ramapo, the village of New Square is a close-knit community of nearly 10,000 Hasidic Jews which itself is divided for voting purposes into a number of separate wards. This is an extremely insular sect of Hasids and I have little doubt that they universally would oppose a woman being elected president particularly one that they believed harbored pro-Palestinian views.
Folks saying you could never get the same answer from 500 people on any topic have no clue about places like New Square
Clouds Passing
(5,096 posts)PFparks
(3 posts)As others have commented, this is one election district and not all of Rockland County NY. There are several rapidly growing Hasidic communities in Rockland, Orange, and Sullivan Counties. It is not unusual for these communities to vote overwhelmingly for one candidate.
Snackshack
(2,549 posts)I would like to see more investigative reporting on this.
"...at least 227 bomb threats targeted polling locations, election offices, and tabulation centers around the country on Election Day and the days after. In addition, we saw explosive devices detonating on ballot drop boxes across multiple states in the Pacific Northwest, hoax calls claiming active shooters at schools serving as polling sites in the Northeast, and law enforcement deploying to voting locations across America in response."
We've been told 2024 was a 'relatively safe and secure election' but djt only won by 1.5%. This amount of interference in swing states, even if it only closed polling stations for an hour or 2 would be more than enough to make a 1.5% difference.
legallyblondeNYC
(93 posts)One of the NY-based congressional elections that gave the Banana-Repubs the House ...
Montauk6
(9,133 posts)Just kidding, just kidding...
Zero does look sus as hell.