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Just_Vote_Dem

(3,278 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:21 PM Wednesday

Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

"These data would require extreme sociological or political causes for their explanation," a statistician said

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787

A lawsuit disputing the results of the 2024 election has moved forward after it was revealed that former Vice President Kamala Harris received no votes a New York state district.

A seminal case calling the results of the presidential race as well as state senate races into question has advanced. The case refers to the results of the election in Rockland County, New York, with Judge Rachel Tanguay of the New York Supreme Court ruling that a full hand recount must occur following the discovery.

The case's lead plaintiff is SMART Legislation, the action arm of SMART Elections, a non-partisan group that advocates for voting security and voter rights.

"There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely," Lulu Friesdat, founder and executive director of SMART Legislation, said in a statement.

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Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Wednesday OP
Could be something to keep an eye on. Torchlight Wednesday #1
Not errors in many other places too...Musk money. brush Wednesday #57
"Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud" - AJC TheProle Wednesday #100
Forget aout the experts what do you say? brush Wednesday #102
I don't know all the facts, so I am withholding judgment TheProle Wednesday #106
Voting present, huh? brush Wednesday #107
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #154
Are you serious?? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #167
So you have evidence to back up this claim, then? Jedi Guy Yesterday #177
Dumpy and looney both admitted they cheated numerous times out loud and in public! Clouds Passing 19 hrs ago #186
Ummm.... Happy Hoosier 16 hrs ago #193
How about we not sound lke the YouTube scholars on the right? Cuthbert Allgood Wednesday #144
It wouldn't surprise me one bit. n/t ailsagirl 25 min ago #210
Kristen gilla brand got ninety percent of the vote Tribetime Yesterday #173
Are you saying in the precinct where Kamala got no votes????? MadameButterfly Yesterday #175
But it was a county, not a precinct Bob_in_VA 16 hrs ago #192
No it specifies districts in Rockland. Overall country results here: TheProle 14 hrs ago #198
Someone needs to explain to me how hundreds of people voted for Gillibrand Wingus Dingus Wednesday #2
And, if I remember correctly... appmanga Wednesday #13
Rockland is big, but the individual districts within it are not. thesquanderer Wednesday #109
And all of those 554 voters were Hasidic Jews Random Boomer Wednesday #133
And a woman. legallyblondeNYC 15 hrs ago #195
Thanks (nt) appmanga 21 hrs ago #183
Someone needs to explain to me... returnee Wednesday #42
And always by the same people questionseverything Wednesday #80
Unless they're in Arizona or Georgia MadameButterfly Yesterday #176
And resistance to the idea of actually looking into it and finding out. hamsterjill Wednesday #165
Because there is no evidence to support the claim EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #184
I would encourage you to take a look at... returnee 14 hrs ago #197
"when my gut tells me something I look to see if there's anything that might support it." TheProle 14 hrs ago #199
Well then, I guess that's settled... returnee 13 hrs ago #202
I've looked. It's nothing but suppositions and uncited data EdmondDantes_ 8 hrs ago #209
Because it was nutty when republicans believed the same thing four years earlier and it's still nutty today FBaggins 12 hrs ago #203
Check my post above... returnee 12 hrs ago #204
Why not just look at reporting from right after the election? FBaggins 12 hrs ago #206
P.S.: returnee 12 hrs ago #205
I asked that question here on DU about some counties in the swing states in late November yobrault1 Wednesday #47
In 2020, same precinct was 528 trump to 0 Biden. Guess that was hacked too. Silent Type Wednesday #48
I'll wait for the lawsuit to play out before I draw conclusions. Wingus Dingus Wednesday #53
Absolutely rigged too. Only a moron would believe there was no rigging/money changing hands. brush Wednesday #60
Honestly, I think "morons" ignore facts. Silent Type Wednesday #63
Whatever that means. Let's try idiot. Idiots will believe that trump won the election. brush Wednesday #67
Hope we don't run on that conspiracy theory in midterms. I'd like a chance at House. Silent Type Wednesday #73
Unjoy your stay. brush Wednesday #76
Oh, I like that phrase! KPN 16 hrs ago #194
I'm pretty sure you've heard it before. brush 11 hrs ago #207
Well then. I'll take that under advisement. KPN 8 hrs ago #208
You disagree so the poster insinuates you'll get booted from the site Ponietz Wednesday #152
You are right, why didn't Harris, Biden, anyone, protest? Gotta admit, it was tough for me to accept we lost to Silent Type Wednesday #160
MAGA has always existed in some form Ponietz 22 hrs ago #181
Not rigged, just a sociological zebra Random Boomer Wednesday #137
Nah, there are always a few contrarians who love to go against the grain. brush Wednesday #139
Only in a larger community Random Boomer Wednesday #143
Nope, and I'll also never belief that trump won all the swing states. brush Wednesday #145
Swing states would make much more sense Random Boomer Wednesday #148
And therein lies the rub. DiamondShark Yesterday #174
I never said he won the swing states... Random Boomer Wednesday #151
You should make this a separate post. Maybe more people would see it. I'm glad you shared it. LauraInLA Wednesday #119
That district votes as a bloc Random Boomer Wednesday #135
This! Doodley Wednesday #153
A staunch NYC Democrat explained it to me Random Boomer Wednesday #126
aren't non-Jews allowed to vote in the county though? (nt) cadoman Wednesday #149
for the umpeenth time: the zero votes weren't countywide. onenote Wednesday #166
It's not a county result Random Boomer 19 hrs ago #187
Yeah, that makes no sense at all.... Not that such an anomaly makes any difference in New York Jack Valentino Wednesday #164
Would a draft-dodging, casino-hustling, G.O.P. felon/rapist cheat? BoRaGard Wednesday #3
Absolutely! It's what T💩p does. He and Eloon bragged about it. OMGWTF Wednesday #18
I mark his admission of the fix being in returnee Wednesday #49
Man who cheated on all three wives mahina Wednesday #112
No shit! MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #169
Whichever of Musk's whiz kids was assigned that district got a little overzealous. nt Buns_of_Fire Wednesday #4
Wonder just how much fraud really happened in these last elections. Zero votes for Kamala? That's as SWBTATTReg Wednesday #5
So how do you know the other results are "lawful "? questionseverything Wednesday #6
Because zero votes is a statistical impossibility. Basso8vb Wednesday #34
I agree the zero is impossible but the same machine that produced the zero produced the other results questionseverything Wednesday #37
I believe a targeted digital attack is possible. returnee Wednesday #50
Off course a targeted digital attack is possible but questionseverything Wednesday #62
Any kind of attack was completely unnecessary in NY State Random Boomer Wednesday #142
Hence the investigation and lawsuit. Basso8vb Wednesday #97
👍 questionseverything Wednesday #98
Statistical Methods, By Definition.... ProfessorGAC Wednesday #125
Statistics are about averages, not specifics, and this specific case is different Random Boomer Wednesday #129
It's only impossible if you assume general voting patterns Random Boomer Wednesday #130
You clearly know nothing about statistics. Wiz Imp Wednesday #155
I'm reading on Politifact that it was a Hasidic Jewish district and that they Wingus Dingus Wednesday #8
The candidate who instigated the probe says she has affidavits from people who voted in the district Prairie Gates Wednesday #12
It's not entirely Hasidic. It's right over the Tappan Zee bridge. There are Hasidic pockets around Pomona, but Scrivener7 Wednesday #15
They're not talking about all of Rockland county. Just one district, which had 554 total voters. thesquanderer Wednesday #110
OK. Thanks. Scrivener7 Wednesday #124
I know people in Rockland who voted for Harris/Walz. returnee Wednesday #52
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #111
you've got your work cut out for you but thank you for re-iterating this (nt) cadoman Wednesday #150
How come when I brought this up a couple of weeks ago, Bluetus Wednesday #134
Rockland County is roughly 31.4% Jewish, and they are NOT all Hasidic, although the Hasidic community is significant! markpkessinger Wednesday #78
I think the confusion lies in the fact that Harris DID get votes in that county as a whole, but Wingus Dingus Wednesday #82
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #116
Some of the wards that voted heavily or almost unanimously for Trump also voted heavily for Gillibrand's opponent. onenote Wednesday #104
Gillibrand worked hard to get their votes Random Boomer Wednesday #136
It's coming up now because a local candidate for a small local office in the district disputed Prairie Gates Wednesday #9
Because there is no there there Random Boomer Wednesday #138
This obviously needs more attention. beveeheart Wednesday #7
And more attention should have been DENVERPOPS Wednesday #21
No it does not. Random Boomer Wednesday #140
I'm sure the current DOJ is looking into it. multigraincracker Wednesday #10
I remain malaise Wednesday #11
Something stinks alright, besides Captain Pantload himself Blue Owl Wednesday #22
I'm with you, malaise peggysue2 Wednesday #24
Doubting returnee, here. n/t returnee Wednesday #54
Don't take just anyone's word; try this source. usaf-vet Wednesday #31
It's obvious trump/musk bought the election. Harris should be president. brush Wednesday #66
I've been following this case. Really, everyone here should be. Karasu Wednesday #14
Ah see Hornedfrog2000 Wednesday #16
The OP is deceptive: it's not Rockland County as a whole, but one voting district in Rockland County Prairie Gates Wednesday #44
No Harris votes in Rockland County definitely points to cheating. But what an odd County to choose. It wouldn't Scrivener7 Wednesday #17
For a narcissist, it would be as important to win the popular vote as the electoral vote. Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #20
Bingo! He wanted them to make sure he got Quakerfriend Wednesday #33
Maybe the cheater is really bad at cheating Auggie Wednesday #35
It's not the whole county, but one district Prairie Gates Wednesday #45
Even more unlikely. District 17 encompasses all of Rockland county, all of Putnam county, some of Westchester Scrivener7 Wednesday #64
The district in question isn't Congressional 'district 17' -- its Rockland County district of Ramapo onenote Wednesday #99
OK. Thanks. Scrivener7 Wednesday #123
The zero votes was in one small district, 554 total voters. See post #110. (n/t) thesquanderer Wednesday #117
She didn't get zero votes in the county. She got zero votes in some wards within the county onenote Wednesday #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Wednesday #72
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #115
It does NOT point to cheating if you know the area Random Boomer Wednesday #128
But she won New York State easily. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #19
2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances 121 million views for our Rockland County littlemissmartypants Wednesday #23
Where are they getting the "zero votes" info? Very misleading headline! Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #25
Biden won Rockland County by only 2600 votes in 2020 onenote Wednesday #38
In Rampo precinct 35, Biden lost 528 trump to 0 Biden in 2020. Guess that was hacked too. Silent Type Wednesday #58
Hacked isn't really the correct term questionseverything Wednesday #69
One "conspiracy" theory, maybe. Silent Type Wednesday #74
If it's a "conspiracy " to believe the American people have the right to oversee their own elections? questionseverything Wednesday #81
We lost. We need to come to grips with that to move forward and win against, rather than sounding Silent Type Wednesday #85
Or I could listen to Obama who said, " we have to beat them so bad there is no doubt " questionseverything Wednesday #89
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Wednesday #88
Zero votes was within one small district within the county, with 554 total voters. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #113
Thank you! Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #131
Here's a link to the lawsuit... ultralite001 Wednesday #26
Additional details are also noted here: ultralite001 Yesterday #178
Information about "algorithms" + rigging the vote... ultralite001 Yesterday #179
0 votes for Harris in a county of 340,000 is simply impossible. Fil1957 Wednesday #27
I think she received votes in the county, but in a district within that county (smaller unit) Wingus Dingus Wednesday #28
A district within Rockland county Prairie Gates Wednesday #46
Actually not even the district -- certain wards in Ramapo. onenote Wednesday #56
That isn't what the certified results on the NY elections website shows onenote Wednesday #29
You are looking at the county results while the article talks about a district questionseverything Wednesday #61
And the headline says zero votes in a New York County not in a part of a New York County. onenote Wednesday #71
Well read past the first line? questionseverything Wednesday #87
If an article claimed to be written by journalists starts off with such a blatant lie MichMan Wednesday #93
Take it up with the New York state Supreme Court questionseverything Wednesday #94
Whoever wrote that headline needs to find a new line of work. MichMan Wednesday #95
I actually edited it Just_Vote_Dem Wednesday #101
Because the validity of the allegations in UnderThisLaw Wednesday #118
Yes, it's a deceptive headline. (n/t) thesquanderer Wednesday #114
ANother article about this: Amaryllis Wednesday #30
Politifact explains the facts. Seems trump beat Biden in 2020 by 528-0. Silent Type Wednesday #32
If you survey 528 people on ANY topic Seinan Sensei Wednesday #120
Voting ain't a survey. Conspiracy theories, refusal to accept defeat, and, worse won't win elections. Silent Type Wednesday #122
I hate to break it to you, but by your logic, Obama cheated to win both elections in 2008 and 2012 Wiz Imp Wednesday #158
But...But...But it's a statistical impossibility according to some. MichMan Wednesday #168
Well, well, well. Who is really surprised? Hope this can of worms gets ripped wide open. Joinfortmill Wednesday #36
what I like about these stories is this... Javaman Wednesday #39
Apparently reading the article isn't a thing EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #40
I will believe until the day I die Grim Chieftain Wednesday #41
Just as January 6 crowd believes that 2020 was stolen Jose Garcia 18 hrs ago #188
Oh, there is no comparison Grim Chieftain 18 hrs ago #189
It's actually the exact same thing, with the exact same silly conspiracy theories. tritsofme 14 hrs ago #200
I have heard that district voted 80% + for Gov. Hochul in 2022 Botany Wednesday #43
Recommended. H2O Man Wednesday #51
Elon frucked up on that one! C Moon Wednesday #59
All 331 votes in obnoxiousdrunk Wednesday #65
And there's the problem with conspiracy theories Sympthsical Wednesday #68
Better tell the New York Supreme Court then questionseverything Wednesday #91
That's not support for the conspiracies Sympthsical Wednesday #92
To be fair to the Internet, conspiracy theories existed long before it EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #121
You are leaving out the New York Supreme Court ordered the hand count questionseverything Wednesday #156
Voting statistic analysis anomalies angryxyouth Wednesday #70
University of Michigan statistical analysis angryxyouth Wednesday #83
Someone who orchestrated an insurrection, is Emile Wednesday #75
Apparently MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #170
I don't buy that. greatauntoftriplets Wednesday #77
Does anybody remember how the orange twerp said that he had a little.... Butterflylady Wednesday #79
Ask 20 voters on the street if anyone voted for Harris. BidenRocks Wednesday #84
Or put out a bulletin asking anyone Tree Lady Wednesday #127
Well thats odd...... Historic NY Wednesday #86
Ya right! Evolve Dammit Wednesday #90
Unlikely that no votes there Nululu Wednesday #96
Something isn't right. COL Mustard Wednesday #103
Wouldn't this trigger a lawsuit, perhaps a class action, by registered democratic voters no_hypocrisy Wednesday #105
Let's just say four of eLoon's engineers popped up and said, "we are part of the team that stole the 2024 election flashman13 Wednesday #108
America is under siege. And it blows my mind that election officials haven't audited the results on their own ffr Wednesday #132
Totally inaccurate headline. It NEEDS TO BE CHANGED! Wiz Imp Wednesday #141
Thank you!! Yes, exactly this Random Boomer Wednesday #147
The votes have been rigged since W was selected Farmer-Rick Wednesday #159
It's Kool-Aid for the parched Ponietz Wednesday #157
Question the voters Puppyjive Wednesday #146
HAND RECOUNT - that is the purpose - why did it take so long??? RandomNumbers Wednesday #161
Interesting. Martin68 Wednesday #162
Sheesh. So many people here who can't seem to read. Wiz Imp Wednesday #163
One could ask voters there if they would like to declare they voted for Harris. Sure to get more than, say, 7. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #171
Bookmarking to read later. yellow dahlia Yesterday #172
Where in Rockland County, Kiryas Joel?. HarryM Yesterday #180
New Square New York onenote 21 hrs ago #182
Oopsies looks like loonie left a trail. Clouds Passing 19 hrs ago #185
Please correct this PFparks 18 hrs ago #190
This is interesting Snackshack 17 hrs ago #191
This is in Mike Lawler's district. legallyblondeNYC 15 hrs ago #196
Well... ROCKLAND COUNTY... what dya expect? Montauk6 14 hrs ago #201

Torchlight

(4,834 posts)
1. Could be something to keep an eye on.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:23 PM
Wednesday

My hope is a statistically impossi9ble error occurred, my expectations however, are... well, not errors,

TheProle

(3,417 posts)
100. "Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud" - AJC
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:59 PM
Wednesday

TheProle

(3,417 posts)
106. I don't know all the facts, so I am withholding judgment
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:10 PM
Wednesday

But the experts are experts for a reason and there’s substantial evidence that it happens.

Response to TheProle (Reply #106)

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,116 posts)
167. Are you serious??
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 11:02 PM
Wednesday

It's a silly conspiracy theory to consider a corrupt convicted felon who commanded hundreds of his MAGAt thugs to attack the Capitol in order to invalidate President Biden's election win and install his rancid carcass back in the White House and who's pals with Putin and slimy Musk just might cheat in the last election???? He won ALL the swing states fair and square??

Talk about waking up!! JFC.

Jedi Guy

(3,342 posts)
177. So you have evidence to back up this claim, then?
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:54 AM
Yesterday

By all means, please do share this compelling proof, keeping in mind that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You'd have me believe that the entire Democratic Party, from Joe Biden on down, has access to this extraordinary evidence and has done nothing with it? You'd have me believe that Kamala Harris has access to this extraordinary evidence and yet meekly conceded defeat, knowing full well what her silence would cost the people of America? You'd have me believe that of the hundreds of people Trump would need to pull off such a scheme, not one of them would spill the beans? You do recall how his first administration was plagued with leaks, yes? And yet now it's suddenly a shadowy, impenetrable conspiracy?

The more plausible explanation is that Trump won, yes. Including all the swing states. Otherwise I must believe that the Democratic Party is so weak, so cowardly, that they dare not present this compelling evidence and are meekly standing aside, and I must simultaneously believe that Trump miraculously became competent this one time and then went back to being his usual bumbling, inept self. I simply can't believe that both of those things are true, and I've seen no compelling evidence to the contrary.

Talk about waking up, indeed.

Clouds Passing

(5,096 posts)
186. Dumpy and looney both admitted they cheated numerous times out loud and in public!
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 09:18 AM
19 hrs ago

And yes the Democratic politicians and pundits need to start standing up for themselves, democracy and us! Not the time to chicken out!

Happy Hoosier

(8,948 posts)
193. Ummm....
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:33 PM
16 hrs ago

These people ARE speaking up. They are filing a lawsuit. Either they have evidence, or they don't. If the results are as they claim, something went wrong. It could be an honest glitch. But we should know.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,262 posts)
144. How about we not sound lke the YouTube scholars on the right?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:28 PM
Wednesday

If the experts say it happens, then it happens. It drives me crazy when people who study something at an indepth level are pushed aside by people to whom the thing the experts know happens "sounds weird."

I have my master's in media studies and specifically if youth learn information from the media. They don't. Unless they are already predisposed to that information. The number of people that argue against me that video games make kids violent and books make kids gay is staggering. I know more than most people about this. I spent two years of my life studying it. How about we listen to the election experts since they know what they are talking about and we don't sound like we are fighting that ivermectin worked for Uncle Bobby.

Bob_in_VA

(103 posts)
192. But it was a county, not a precinct
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:27 PM
16 hrs ago

Unless the county's population is so small that there is only one precinct (unlikely, but maybe not impossible) your point is irrelevant.
From the Google
Rockland County/Population
340,807 (2023)

Wingus Dingus

(9,081 posts)
2. Someone needs to explain to me how hundreds of people voted for Gillibrand
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:25 PM
Wednesday

in one district and not one single person in that same district voted for Harris.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
133. And all of those 554 voters were Hasidic Jews
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:00 PM
Wednesday

They vote as a bloc, and they cast their vote for the candidate they are told to support by their religious leaders. In this election, it was Trump, because Harris was not perceived to be sufficiently pro-Israel.

returnee

(568 posts)
42. Someone needs to explain to me...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:46 PM
Wednesday

…why there is so much resistance to the idea that the election results were rigged.

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
80. And always by the same people
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:30 PM
Wednesday

It’s like they would do anything, swear to anything to avoid hand counting the paper ballots

hamsterjill

(15,973 posts)
165. And resistance to the idea of actually looking into it and finding out.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:27 PM
Wednesday

I don't understand what could possibly be wrong with investigating this. Either it did or it did not happen, but let's be sure.

EdmondDantes_

(526 posts)
184. Because there is no evidence to support the claim
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:15 AM
20 hrs ago

Because there's no way to actually do what is claimed. Because the claimed evidence falls apart under scrutiny. The so-called bullet ballots, this claim that starts with a specific district in a county that is then transposed to being the entire county and when that's pointed out, that's ignored. When there's evidence as to why the specific district voted as it did, and shown that it's happened before, that's ignored.

returnee

(568 posts)
197. I would encourage you to take a look at...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 02:15 PM
14 hrs ago

…electiontruthalliance.org if you haven’t already. I have to admit I had only my gut to go on at first, but when my gut tells me something I look to see if there’s anything that might support it. I found these folks and I found there was statistical analysis that could suggest my gut knows something.
I would suggest you tell them what they found is not possible.

TheProle

(3,417 posts)
199. "when my gut tells me something I look to see if there's anything that might support it."
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 02:43 PM
14 hrs ago
Confirmation bias (also confirmatory bias, myside bias[a] or congeniality bias[2]) is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[3] People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs
.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

returnee

(568 posts)
202. Well then, I guess that's settled...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 03:38 PM
13 hrs ago

…at least in your mind. But it seems to me you are the one not seeking contradictory evidence. I offered some, you have but to look at it.

EdmondDantes_

(526 posts)
209. I've looked. It's nothing but suppositions and uncited data
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:38 PM
8 hrs ago

Drop off rate difference isn't actually evidence especially with a candidate as out of the norm as Trump. They never actually link to their data and when I tried to follow the Clark County data the county site doesn't present the breakdown of the vote curve that they claim shows after 250 votes the trend went towards Trump. The data by machine doesn't appear to be on the county website. Unless they can actually show the data from the source that shows what they claim, it's not convincing.

The Pennsylvania evidence is Trump saying vote counting machines and Musk, but given the quote also has Trump saying he won in a landslide, kind of hard to take anything Trump says as true. And then it's just a bunch of random anecdotes of machine failure or bomb threats seemingly not to the actual voting locations. They even noted that the reported machine issues had limited impact, but that in theory it gave an opportunity for malicious actors. That's not even remotely convincing.

FBaggins

(28,110 posts)
203. Because it was nutty when republicans believed the same thing four years earlier and it's still nutty today
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:11 PM
12 hrs ago

We're supposed to believe that four years ago was the cleanest election in our history yet somhow while we controlled the White House (and very likely every lever of control over this county's elections) the 2024 election was somehow hacked... and the evidence can be found in a deep blue precinct in a deep blue county - where cheating could not possibly benefit Trump.

returnee

(568 posts)
204. Check my post above...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:25 PM
12 hrs ago

…where I refer to a group of statisticians who have some analysis to offer. Go argue with them, if you dare.

FBaggins

(28,110 posts)
206. Why not just look at reporting from right after the election?
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:30 PM
12 hrs ago
https://www.shtetl.org/article/analyzing-the-haredi-vote-in-the-2024-general-election

2. New Square, New York:
Though New Square, in Rockland County, continues to grow, it still only provides about 3,500 votes in a Congressional district with 350,000 voters. As a bloc, though, this 1% of the vote can be an important strategic asset in a close race. So, though the presidential vote was deeply red, the community was able to deliver strategic votes to the Democrats. The leadership is still able to deliver a bloc vote, as you can see by the extremely high percentage of votes to the prescribed choices (Over 90% in each case), irrespective of party affiliation.

Donald Trump (R) 3,456 votes, Kamala Harris (D) 12.
Mike Lawler (R) 3,421 votes, Mondaire Jones (D) 23.
Elijah Reichlin-Melnick (D) 3,191 votes, Bill Weber (R) 207.
Aron Wieder (D) 3,376 votes, John McGowan (R) 55.

returnee

(568 posts)
205. P.S.:
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:29 PM
12 hrs ago

Republicans always lie and always try to cheat in elections.
This has nothing to do with that.

yobrault1

(180 posts)
47. I asked that question here on DU about some counties in the swing states in late November
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:51 PM
Wednesday

2024 and got hammered for even questioning the results. I decided then not to raise the question again until someone, somewhere brought this up. DU can be a hostile place at times. Many viewers outside the USA don't understand why no one, no one has looked into the data. The desire to not look like conspiracy kooks is allowing the crooks to get away with stealing the government and killing democracy. I just don't understand the apathy.

brush

(60,214 posts)
60. Absolutely rigged too. Only a moron would believe there was no rigging/money changing hands.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:09 PM
Wednesday

brush

(60,214 posts)
67. Whatever that means. Let's try idiot. Idiots will believe that trump won the election.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:20 PM
Wednesday

KPN

(16,692 posts)
194. Oh, I like that phrase!
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
16 hrs ago


I'm guessing it's not new, but first time I've ever heard (or read) it.

Ponietz

(3,883 posts)
152. You disagree so the poster insinuates you'll get booted from the site
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:37 PM
Wednesday

That was a cheap shot. So was “moron” and “idiot”.

I don’t believe the election was stolen simply because our good Democratic officials and representatives haven’t raised the issue. Conspiracy theories, without more evidence, are kool-aid.

Silent Type

(9,963 posts)
160. You are right, why didn't Harris, Biden, anyone, protest? Gotta admit, it was tough for me to accept we lost to
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:01 PM
Wednesday

trump twice.

I grew up in South, thus knew there were a lot of racist/bigoted rubes who fall for the trumps of the world. I just didn't know there were that many.

Ponietz

(3,883 posts)
181. MAGA has always existed in some form
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:44 AM
22 hrs ago

It’s the 90 million ignorant, apathetic Americans who didn’t vote, knowing what was at stake, that flabbergasts me.

This thread is an interesting example of rabid group think. CTs are like viruses.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
137. Not rigged, just a sociological zebra
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:10 PM
Wednesday

It's a very small district in a very conservative Hasidic Jew community. They vote as a bloc, for whoever they are told to vote for by their religious leader.

Harris did not pass their litmus test for being sufficiently pro-Israel (neither did Biden in the previous election).

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
143. Only in a larger community
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:24 PM
Wednesday

This is a small district (just over 500 votes cast) and it is ultra-orthodox Hasidic Jew. They have a history of voting as a bloc. It is utterly predictable results from this area.

brush

(60,214 posts)
145. Nope, and I'll also never belief that trump won all the swing states.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:28 PM
Wednesday

Absolute rethug bullshit spin.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
148. Swing states would make much more sense
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:31 PM
Wednesday

There's simply no point in cheating some tiny district with 500+ votes in New York State, which is solid blue.

DiamondShark

(1,151 posts)
174. And therein lies the rub.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:17 AM
Yesterday

Recounting this district is a lousy idea. If I know the media and MAGA crowd, they will use this to prove trump's win.

Looking forward to be proven wrong though.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
151. I never said he won the swing states...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:35 PM
Wednesday

These are two very different scenarios.

I'm still open to the possibility that there was cheating in the swing states, where it mattered. It just didn't happen in a tiny district of ultra-conservative Hasidic Jews in New York.

LauraInLA

(2,154 posts)
119. You should make this a separate post. Maybe more people would see it. I'm glad you shared it.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:31 PM
Wednesday

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
135. That district votes as a bloc
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:02 PM
Wednesday

It's an extremely conservative Hasidic Jew community. They vote as they are told to vote by their religious leaders.

Once you know that demographic information, the voting tally results make perfect sense.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
126. A staunch NYC Democrat explained it to me
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:47 PM
Wednesday

She's politically savvy and very exasperated with all the hysteria around these results.

The district in question is Hasidic Jew, extremely conservative, and they vote the way they are told to vote by their religious leaders. They see Trump as pro-Israel, much more so than Harris, and they vote as a bloc.

End of story.

onenote

(45,312 posts)
166. for the umpeenth time: the zero votes weren't countywide.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:45 PM
Wednesday

They were in a few wards within the "district" of Ramapo. Ramapo is the largest town in Rockland County, making up around 44 percent of the population. It is divided, for voting purposes, into 122 distinct "wards". While these wards vary in size, they average around 1220 people (not just voters) per ward. Some of those same wards cast 0 votes for Biden in 2020.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
187. It's not a county result
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 09:54 AM
19 hrs ago

It's NOT Rockland County, it's a single very small district , and that district is in a community that votes as a bloc.

Jack Valentino

(2,286 posts)
164. Yeah, that makes no sense at all.... Not that such an anomaly makes any difference in New York
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:24 PM
Wednesday

federal election results..... but it raises questions about the accuracy of results just about anywhere else!

OMGWTF

(4,768 posts)
18. Absolutely! It's what T💩p does. He and Eloon bragged about it.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:04 PM
Wednesday

Remember, "I don't need your votes and Elon has the magic computer"? Also, Eloon was captured on camera speculating how many years in prison he's get if T💩p didn't win.

returnee

(568 posts)
49. I mark his admission of the fix being in
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:54 PM
Wednesday

…to his appearance at the Black Journalist’s conference at which he was so openly racially offensive. No one in such a close race (according to polls), who actually wanted to win, would act in such a way. His later statements confirmed he knew it was fixed.

mahina

(19,804 posts)
112. Man who cheated on all three wives
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:37 PM
Wednesday

My dad used to say nobody will ever treat you better than they treat their own family

SWBTATTReg

(25,393 posts)
5. Wonder just how much fraud really happened in these last elections. Zero votes for Kamala? That's as
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:26 PM
Wednesday

unbelievable as anything any of us can come up with. Fraud.

Why is it coming out now? Why haven't they immediately isolated the resulted the skewed results immediately and held up including these fake results from lawful tallies?

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
6. So how do you know the other results are "lawful "?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:35 PM
Wednesday

They were counted with the same software that gave harris a clearly false result in one precinct , why assume any of its reporting is accurate?

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
37. I agree the zero is impossible but the same machine that produced the zero produced the other results
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:39 PM
Wednesday

There is no reason to trust any of the results posted

returnee

(568 posts)
50. I believe a targeted digital attack is possible.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:58 PM
Wednesday

This was likely the case in, at least, Pennsylvania, say some statisticians.

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
62. Off course a targeted digital attack is possible but
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:12 PM
Wednesday

When we see incorrect results in one district for one candidate, why assume any other results are correct?

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
142. Any kind of attack was completely unnecessary in NY State
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:22 PM
Wednesday

This tiny district (just over 500 votes) was not some test case for fraud and corruption. It was the quite predictable outcome from a community of ultra-conservative Hasidic Jews that vote as a bloc, according to the dictates of their religious leaders. They went 0 for Biden in 2020, too.

Harris wasn't sufficiently pro-Israel for them, so they voted for Trump. Utterly predictable for this specific, unified community.

ProfessorGAC

(73,046 posts)
125. Statistical Methods, By Definition....
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:46 PM
Wednesday

...do not conclude "impossible". They can quantify improbability, but "impossible" is a subjective judgment.
So, statisticians have not established it to be impossible.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
129. Statistics are about averages, not specifics, and this specific case is different
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:55 PM
Wednesday

There were zero votes cast for Harris because this particular area is an extreme right-wing Hasidic Jew community. They vote as a bloc, exactly as they're told by their religious leaders.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
130. It's only impossible if you assume general voting patterns
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:58 PM
Wednesday

And those general voting patterns DO NOT APPLY to this very specific area of NY. It's a Hasidic Jewish community that typically votes as one bloc, just as they're told to by their religious leaders.

This is not proof of cheating, it's just a quirk of demographics. They will not tolerate any candidate who is not staunchly pro-Israel and Harris didn't meet their criteria; Trump did. End of story.

Wiz Imp

(5,371 posts)
155. You clearly know nothing about statistics.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:41 PM
Wednesday

0 votes for a candidate in a single precinct is nowhere near "statistically impossible" It happens many times in every election across probably all states. It happened in Philadelphia in 2012 with Romney getting 0 votes in DOZENS of precincts. I guess that's proof that Obama cheated.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8. Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.

Another prime example was Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland, where Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in the 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. There were also 27 other precincts statewide in Ohio where Romney only received one vote, like in Dayton, where one precinct went 599-1 for Obama. There were two small precincts in the Buckeye State where Obama received no votes.

One of the more interesting states in 2012 was Louisiana, where 75 precincts won by Obama did not give a single vote to Romney - but, there were also 46 other precincts won by Romney where Obama did not get one vote. Lincoln Parish, in northern Louisiana was notable, because that parish had nine precincts where Barack Obama did not get a single vote, and also seven other precincts where Mitt Romney did not receive one vote. All in the same county.

And these kind of results did not happen only in 2012. Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."




Wingus Dingus

(9,081 posts)
8. I'm reading on Politifact that it was a Hasidic Jewish district and that they
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:38 PM
Wednesday

always vote as a bloc and heavily favored Trump, but I guess also liked Gillibrand? I'm still skeptical.

Prairie Gates

(5,228 posts)
12. The candidate who instigated the probe says she has affidavits from people who voted in the district
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:49 PM
Wednesday

Indicating that they voted for Kamela. For what it's worth. There were districts that voted 98%+ for Obama and for Biden. I don't recall ever seeing a 100% district, Hasidim or no.

Scrivener7

(55,967 posts)
15. It's not entirely Hasidic. It's right over the Tappan Zee bridge. There are Hasidic pockets around Pomona, but
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:57 PM
Wednesday

no votes for Harris? That's patently absurd. That's like saying there were no Harris votes in Westchester, which is next door to Rockland.

returnee

(568 posts)
52. I know people in Rockland who voted for Harris/Walz.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:01 PM
Wednesday

It’s an obvious and inarguable glitch of some kind? Malicious or accidental. Don’t believe it? I have some swamp land for you to consider.

thesquanderer

(12,649 posts)
111. See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:36 PM
Wednesday

Bluetus

(1,136 posts)
134. How come when I brought this up a couple of weeks ago,
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:02 PM
Wednesday

people threatened to flag me for CTs?

Reportedly there are MULTIPLE polling sites where Gillibrand got a normal number of votes and Harris got zero. We are 8 months after the election and only now we MIGHT get a hand recount?

Obviously the election is not going to be invalidated, but equally obviously, there are serious issues here and they should be investigated aggressively. If saying that makes me a CTist, then so be it.

markpkessinger

(8,761 posts)
78. Rockland County is roughly 31.4% Jewish, and they are NOT all Hasidic, although the Hasidic community is significant!
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:29 PM
Wednesday

So even if the entire Hasidic community voted as a bloc, the results are still HIGHLY suspect!

Wingus Dingus

(9,081 posts)
82. I think the confusion lies in the fact that Harris DID get votes in that county as a whole, but
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:36 PM
Wednesday

in one (Hasidic Jewish) district in particular she received zero votes although Gillibrand received several hundred--so, dramatic ticket splitting in one district.

thesquanderer

(12,649 posts)
116. See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:45 PM
Wednesday

onenote

(45,312 posts)
104. Some of the wards that voted heavily or almost unanimously for Trump also voted heavily for Gillibrand's opponent.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:08 PM
Wednesday

Others, however, voted overwhelmingly for trump on the one hand and overwhelmingly for Gillibrand on the other.

For example, in Ramapo ward 55, Trump won 986 to 2. but Gillibrand won 909 to 42. On the other hand. In Ramapo ward 18, Trump won 424 to 22 and Gillibrand lost 293 to 37.

Without knowing more about the make-up of these wards, it's hard to judge the results.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
136. Gillibrand worked hard to get their votes
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:06 PM
Wednesday

She succeeded, but Harris did not.

I don't live in New York anymore, so I don't know all the details. But a friend of mine -- very politically active Democrat -- who has lived there all her life, quickly dispelled my qualms about any voting chicanery in that district.

Yes, it's a community of Hasidic Jews that vote as a bloc.

Prairie Gates

(5,228 posts)
9. It's coming up now because a local candidate for a small local office in the district disputed
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:38 PM
Wednesday

her own vote tallies.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
138. Because there is no there there
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:13 PM
Wednesday

It's a small district of just over 500 votes, and it is smack dab in the middle of a conservative Hasidic Jew community that votes as a bloc.

The went Biden 0 in 2020 as well.

Every single person votes the way they are told to vote by their religious leaders. And neither Harris or Biden is viewed as sufficiently pro-Israel to warrant their support. End of story.

DENVERPOPS

(12,547 posts)
21. And more attention should have been
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:15 PM
Wednesday

paid by Dems in the 2000 election, the 2004 election, the 2016 election........

There were documented cases of pure dem precincts with all votes going to W, and none for the Dem......hinting at voting being flipped, or fraudulent compilation......etc etc etc..........same thing in the Kerrey voting....... Not at all unlike EVERY single swing state going to Trump in 2024????
Palast and Hartman, two highly respected Journalists, are the only ones to do statistical research on the probability of that being statistically ludicrous........ and NOT ONE Dem took the ball and ran an in depth investigation on it last I heard......

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
140. No it does not.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:18 PM
Wednesday

The specific district in question had only 500+ votes to count and it's in the middle of an ultra-conservative Hasidic Jew community. They have a history of voting as a single bloc, for the candidate their religious leaders support.

Harris lost that support because she was not sufficiently hawkish/pro-Israel for them. Gillibrand worked hard to find other common ground so she managed to get their support.

This same district went 0 for Biden in 2020. THEY VOTE AS A BLOC.

Hornedfrog2000

(240 posts)
16. Ah see
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:01 PM
Wednesday

Now it doesnt matter if it comes out, because its too late. See how it works???

Google says rockland population is just over 340,000. I see the odds of her getting 0 votes, if it is accurate, at 0%.

Now how do they convince us it was the only county it happened in, and it was a fluke error not possible anywhere else?

Prairie Gates

(5,228 posts)
44. The OP is deceptive: it's not Rockland County as a whole, but one voting district in Rockland County
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:48 PM
Wednesday

Obviously, if Harris received no votes in a county of 340,000 people there would be an investigation. We're talking about a district with under 300 votes. Still suspicious, of course, but not ludicrous.

Scrivener7

(55,967 posts)
17. No Harris votes in Rockland County definitely points to cheating. But what an odd County to choose. It wouldn't
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:03 PM
Wednesday

change the state totals. I would have picked a County in a Purple state.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,994 posts)
20. For a narcissist, it would be as important to win the popular vote as the electoral vote.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:08 PM
Wednesday

And does anything about that man or his campaign make any sense?

Auggie

(32,342 posts)
35. Maybe the cheater is really bad at cheating
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:37 PM
Wednesday

To steal every vote is a dead giveaway unless one is just extremely stupid.

Scrivener7

(55,967 posts)
64. Even more unlikely. District 17 encompasses all of Rockland county, all of Putnam county, some of Westchester
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:13 PM
Wednesday

onenote

(45,312 posts)
99. The district in question isn't Congressional 'district 17' -- its Rockland County district of Ramapo
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:57 PM
Wednesday

And the district of Ramapo has over 120 separate "wards" and around a half dozen of them recorded no votes for Harris. There also were a number of wards that recorded less than 1 percent of the votes for Harris, and other wards that were won by Harris.

I'm not saying that there aren't statistical anomalies, but we're not talking about a large Congressional district, but a smallish part of Rockland County and even smaller units -- wards -- within that district.

onenote

(45,312 posts)
55. She didn't get zero votes in the county. She got zero votes in some wards within the county
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:04 PM
Wednesday

Pretty much isolated to wards in Ramapo, which is part of Rockland County. And in 2020, Biden got zero votes in a few of those same wards.

Response to onenote (Reply #55)

thesquanderer

(12,649 posts)
115. See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:45 PM
Wednesday

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
128. It does NOT point to cheating if you know the area
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:50 PM
Wednesday

Exactly as you said, there's no point to cheating in NY State.

The area in question is Hasidic Jew, an extreme right-wing of Hasidic Jew. They vote as a BLOC, exactly as they're told to vote. They voted for Trump because he is perceived as pro-Israel. They are hard-liners, and Harris doesn't pass their litmus test for supporting Israel without question.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,423 posts)
19. But she won New York State easily.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:08 PM
Wednesday

While this zero votes thing is weird, I don’t see what the point would be in fixing it there.

An experiment maybe?

It would make more sense in the battlegrounds.

littlemissmartypants

(27,904 posts)
23. 2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances 121 million views for our Rockland County
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:20 PM
Wednesday

2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances
121 million views for our Rockland County Lawsuit Press Release on the AP

Press Release — APnews.com 8:01 AM EDT, May 29, 2025

by Lulu Friesdat
May 31, 2025



NEW CITY, NY / ACCESS Newswire / May 29, 2025 / A seminal case questioning the accuracy of the 2024 Presidential and Senate election results in Rockland County, New York, is moving forward. In open court last Thursday, Judge Rachel Tanguay of the New York Supreme Court, ruled that discovery must proceed, pushing the lawsuit brought by SMART Legislation into the evidence-gathering stage. The lawsuit seeks a full hand recount of the Presidential and U.S. Senate races in Rockland County.

SMART Legislation, the action arm of SMART Elections, is the lead plaintiff in the case. Both organizations are dedicated to ensuring fair and accurate elections.

“There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely,” stated Lulu Friesdat, Founder and Executive Director of SMART Legislation. “If the results are incorrect, it is a violation of the constitutional rights of each person who voted in the 2024 Rockland County general election. The best way to determine if the results are correct is to examine the paper ballots in a full public, transparent hand recount of all presidential and senate ballots in Rockland County. We believe it’s vitally important, especially in the current environment, to be absolutely confident about the results of the election.”

As stated in the complaint, more voters have sworn they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections counted and certified, directly contradicting those results. Additionally, the presidential election results exhibit numerous statistical anomalies. The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

Snip...much more...

https://freepress.org/article/2024-presidential-and-senate-results-called-question-lawsuit-advances

I posted this in the NY Group.
https://democraticunderground.com/106829404

Pacifist Patriot

(24,994 posts)
25. Where are they getting the "zero votes" info? Very misleading headline!
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:25 PM
Wednesday

Voter turnout was 71%.

I think the weirdness may be that Harris' 65,880 votes represents 70% of registered Democrats and Trump's 83,543 votes represents 160% of registered Republicans. When you combine all the other registered voters (whatever CON, WOR, OTH, and BLANK are), his vote totals would be 71% of all registered voters who are NOT Democrats. And folks who don't align with either party don't vote as a block.

It is incredibly unlikely that he would win that county with 55.4% of the vote and Kamala with only 43.7%. Registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by 93,934 to 52,077.

Whites and Hispanics account for over 80% of the population in the county, but even I have a hard time believing that racism and misogyny swung that many registered Democrats from Harris to Trump.

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
69. Hacked isn't really the correct term
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:21 PM
Wednesday

One theory is the result is predetermined and the different precincts or districts just fill in randomly and that’s why we find non sensical numbers like this

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
81. If it's a "conspiracy " to believe the American people have the right to oversee their own elections?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:33 PM
Wednesday

I will wear that label proudly but you realize you are the on stalin’s side, right?

He said, “ it doesn’t matter who votes, only who counts the votes “

Silent Type

(9,963 posts)
85. We lost. We need to come to grips with that to move forward and win against, rather than sounding
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:38 PM
Wednesday

like trumpsters who couldn’t believe their guy lost in 2020.

More importantly, we need to quit convincing people their votes don’t count. When you sit home because you don’t believe in voting system and/or candidates, you lose.

Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #25)

Wingus Dingus

(9,081 posts)
28. I think she received votes in the county, but in a district within that county (smaller unit)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:33 PM
Wednesday

received zero votes.

onenote

(45,312 posts)
56. Actually not even the district -- certain wards in Ramapo.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:05 PM
Wednesday

But not all wards in Ramapo. Biden got zero votes in some of those same wards in 2020.

onenote

(45,312 posts)
29. That isn't what the certified results on the NY elections website shows
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:33 PM
Wednesday
https://elections.ny.gov/election-results

You can see the County-by-County results. It shows that Harris received 63,816 votes as the Democratic party nominee and another 2,064 votes as the Working Families Party nominee. Trump received 77,318 votes as the Repub nominee and 6225 votes as the Conservative party nominee. This is a county that went for Biden by only 2600 or so votes in 2020.

Can someone explain how it is being claimed there were no votes recorded for Harris in Rockland County when the official, certified results show otherwise?

MichMan

(15,249 posts)
93. If an article claimed to be written by journalists starts off with such a blatant lie
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:49 PM
Wednesday

Why give anything following that any credibility?

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
94. Take it up with the New York state Supreme Court
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:53 PM
Wednesday

Nm , you would have to read the article to understand that

MichMan

(15,249 posts)
95. Whoever wrote that headline needs to find a new line of work.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:54 PM
Wednesday

Apparently journalism isn't it

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,278 posts)
101. I actually edited it
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:00 PM
Wednesday

I thought it would be too long in the subject box:
"Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County"

Luckily I'm not in journalism, right?

UnderThisLaw

(330 posts)
118. Because the validity of the allegations in
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:53 PM
Wednesday

a lawsuit aren’t impacted by how the press reports on them? But you already knew that

Silent Type

(9,963 posts)
32. Politifact explains the facts. Seems trump beat Biden in 2020 by 528-0.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:36 PM
Wednesday

Allegation: Zero votes for 2024 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris in Rockland County, New York, precinct proves Elon Musk hacked 2024 presidential election.

Explanation of why she didn't get votes.

""The screenshots showed accurate vote totals, but the results are not surprising or an example of hacking or fraud, experts told PolitiFact. They’re the result of a town with a large Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish population bloc voting in support of their rabbis’ endorsed candidates."

"The 2024 Ramapo results mirrored its 2020 presidential vote. That year, Trump bested former President Joe Biden 528-0 in precinct 35. In the 2022 midterm elections, Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul lost to her Republican opponent, Lee Zeldin, 408 to 24 in that same precinct, which also overwhelmingly voted to reelect Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., over his Republican opponent, Joe Pinion, 266 to 113.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/

Don't believe the 528 - 0 in 2020, check here:
https://www.rightdatausa.com/election_results?y=2020&t=P&r=N&s=NY&c=087&d=all&pr=Y&WhichMap=vs

Of course, Harris won the state so even if somehow the votes were hacked, it wouldn't make a difference.

Seinan Sensei

(997 posts)
120. If you survey 528 people on ANY topic
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:38 PM
Wednesday

you will NEVER find a 528-0 response
Never, ever
Even if people (ostensibly) vote in a “bloc”

Prof once said, “there is NO survey so perfectly written that somebody somewhere will not misunderstand or misconstrue.”

Or inadvertently check “yes”
when they meant to check “no”

Silent Type

(9,963 posts)
122. Voting ain't a survey. Conspiracy theories, refusal to accept defeat, and, worse won't win elections.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:42 PM
Wednesday

Wiz Imp

(5,371 posts)
158. I hate to break it to you, but by your logic, Obama cheated to win both elections in 2008 and 2012
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:55 PM
Wednesday
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8.

Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.

In 2012 in Pennsylvania, it wasn't just Philadelphia that had precincts give no votes to Romney, as it also happened in Pittsburgh, and two suburban precincts outside of Philadelphia. That pattern was repeated in cities like Detroit, where there were 31 precincts that went to Obama in which Romney did not get a single vote, with many of those precincts delivering well over 400 votes each to Obama - another big city area with a high concentration of black supporters and few Republicans.

What I found were hundreds of precincts around the nation where Romney didn't get a single vote, and many precincts where President Obama was shutout as well.

Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."


There's many more examples in the article.

MichMan

(15,249 posts)
168. But...But...But it's a statistical impossibility according to some.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 11:50 PM
Wednesday

How can that be?

Javaman

(64,042 posts)
39. what I like about these stories is this...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:44 PM
Wednesday

it's a very slow burn.

drip drip drip.

amassing more and more evidence...quietly.

EdmondDantes_

(526 posts)
40. Apparently reading the article isn't a thing
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:44 PM
Wednesday

It literally doesn't say what the headline is saying.

The article says that in one district with 331 votes, Harris received 0 votes. What's the socio-economic make up of that district? As noted elsewhere in the thread, there are pockets of Hasidic Jewish populations that vote as a bloc.

Botany

(74,391 posts)
43. I have heard that district voted 80% + for Gov. Hochul in 2022
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:46 PM
Wednesday

If that internet fact is true then Musk and others must have been into the data.

Besides Trump and Musk’s statements confirming that they were into the data but
I have 3 cases that showed me Trump knew the fix was in:

Trump’s visit to Arlington National Cemetery where he disobeyed the rules and
took videos and pictures where it was forbidden to do so. That act alone must
have cost him at least a million votes from the military and those associated with
it.

Trump’s talk about the size of Arnold Palmer’s penis in his home town of LaTrobe,
Pa. I’m friends with a family who had a relative who was a club pro in a N.E. Ohio
course and he was good friends with Mr. Palmer (that is what older members of the
family called him) and through out their lives Arnold treated him with class and respect.
That crass comment about the size of Palmer’s dick would not have sat well with old
school golf people or among the people who knew Mr. Palmer.

Trump in front of an audience and on camera masturbated a mic stand and acted as
if he was giving a blow job to a microphone.

And in Sept of 2024 Trump said I don’t need anymore votes.

Sympthsical

(10,662 posts)
68. And there's the problem with conspiracy theories
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:21 PM
Wednesday

A staggering amount of misinformation is required to perpetuate them.

And there is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Not even basic research. Just straight-up untrue statements and assumptions based on half- or completely unread articles, context, and follow up information.

Sympthsical

(10,662 posts)
92. That's not support for the conspiracies
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:47 PM
Wednesday

Where people seem to believe an entire county is involved instead of small areas with historical voting patterns.

And then that misinformation gets repeated. And repeated. And repeated.

Even the headline gives that false impression.

It's really painful to observe this sort of thing. I yearn for a world of logic, factual analysis, empiricism, and common sense.

But nooooooooo. Someone had to invent the Internet.

EdmondDantes_

(526 posts)
121. To be fair to the Internet, conspiracy theories existed long before it
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:40 PM
Wednesday

But yes, it's often painful watching people not read the actual article which contradicts the headline and the historical pattern which the article leaves out.

questionseverything

(10,905 posts)
156. You are leaving out the New York Supreme Court ordered the hand count
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:48 PM
Wednesday

How can you be so sure when it’s so easy to know?

People in that district have signed affidavits swearing they voted for Harris, of course it should be checked

angryxyouth

(236 posts)
70. Voting statistic analysis anomalies
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:22 PM
Wednesday

There are peer reviewed statistical analysis of the swing states in which they found anomalies which point to electronic vote manipulation. In addition to smartelections.us there is also https://electiontruthalliance.org/
They also have a youtube channel which is easier to understand.

angryxyouth

(236 posts)
83. University of Michigan statistical analysis
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:36 PM
Wednesday

Snip…A new statistical analysis by a leading election forensics expert has identified irregularities in Pennsylvania’s 2024 presidential vote count, prompting questions about the election’s integrity and calls for further investigation.
Dr. Walter R. Mebane Jr., a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan Report.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-165625470

Emile

(35,078 posts)
75. Someone who orchestrated an insurrection, is
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:26 PM
Wednesday

capable of STEALING AN ELECTION four years later.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,116 posts)
170. Apparently
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:16 AM
Yesterday

there are plenty of people willing to give this wretched scumbag convicted felon rapist conman pathological liar who is currently siccing the military on civilians in America the benefit of the doubt.

Sickening.

Butterflylady

(4,441 posts)
79. Does anybody remember how the orange twerp said that he had a little....
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:30 PM
Wednesday

Secret but he wouldn't share it till after the election. Well, what was it?

Historic NY

(39,022 posts)
86. Well thats odd......
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:38 PM
Wednesday

The Board of Elections reports.
Harris
43.68% votes 65,880

Trump
55.39% Votes 83,543

Ramapo working families party show low votes in a number of districts. Ramapo also has a 92k Jewish population

https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024]

COL Mustard

(7,419 posts)
103. Something isn't right.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:05 PM
Wednesday

Even in Chickasaw, Alabama she received over 800 votes. That used to be a segregated town, and while I'm not surprised Trump won it, he didn't win by nearly as much as I expected.

On the other hand, he won the Blount High School precinct pretty handily (used to be 99% African American). Methinks there is something rotten int the state of Denmark. Oh wait...he probably won that too.

no_hypocrisy

(51,829 posts)
105. Wouldn't this trigger a lawsuit, perhaps a class action, by registered democratic voters
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:09 PM
Wednesday

in Rockland County, who knowingly and purposely cast their votes for Kamala Harris?

The voting machines need impounded and examination as well as the county Board of Elections which collected the municipal vote tallies.

flashman13

(1,277 posts)
108. Let's just say four of eLoon's engineers popped up and said, "we are part of the team that stole the 2024 election
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:26 PM
Wednesday

and here is how we did it". They also have the receipts.

So what? Who cares? Who are we going to find to prosecute the case? You can start court cases all you want, but they will just grind on for years eventually arriving at the dead end of Trump's personal SCOTUS.

My point is that that we should focus 100% of our efforts in undermining Trump and Co now in order to push him out the door as quick as possible. Then when Trump is gone and we have a real AG we can add, conspiring to fix the vote in the 2024 race, to the massive mountain of crimes committed by the regime.


ffr

(23,194 posts)
132. America is under siege. And it blows my mind that election officials haven't audited the results on their own
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:59 PM
Wednesday
The best way to determine if the results are correct is to examine the paper ballots in a full public, transparent hand recount of all presidential and senate ballots in Rockland County.


Hello N.Y. Secretary of State's office. I believe this is your department. Is there anyone over there who can verify the election totals?

Wiz Imp

(5,371 posts)
141. Totally inaccurate headline. It NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:19 PM
Wednesday

There was NOT a county where Harris received 0 votes. That headline is 100% FALSE.

I'm sure there are several precincts or districts across the country where one of the candidates received 0 votes. It's not remotely any evidence of fraud that the writer thinks it is.

Random Boomer

(4,332 posts)
147. Thank you!! Yes, exactly this
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:30 PM
Wednesday

Complete paranoia over a total nothing-burger.

This tiny district (only 500+ votes) has a history of voting as a bloc. It's an ultra-conservative community of Hasidic Jews, who also went 0 for Biden in 2020.

They vote for who they are told to vote for by their religious leaders. It's that simple.

Farmer-Rick

(11,760 posts)
159. The votes have been rigged since W was selected
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:58 PM
Wednesday

For president by the dancing Supremes.

There is plenty of evidence to indicate fraud in our elections. But it never gets investigated. There is plenty of probable cause to investigate. But Not even Trump did an actual investigation. When W rigged it in Florida, the vote count eventually showed, if all votes were counted, W would have lost. And yet no real transparent improvement was made to our voting systems.

I think in this point in history, it's time to prove the process is fair and unbiased even if an idiot like pedo Trump complains.

Puppyjive

(733 posts)
146. Question the voters
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:30 PM
Wednesday

If one person claims to have voted for Kamala, clearly something is wrong.

RandomNumbers

(18,656 posts)
161. HAND RECOUNT - that is the purpose - why did it take so long???
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:03 PM
Wednesday

I read a few comments above. There are reasons to believe the count is accurate. There are reasons to believe it is not.

That is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of having HAND-COUNTABLE PAPER BALLOTS.

My only question is WHY the F*** did it take so long for a hand recount to be ordered, if there was just cause for it?

Meanwhile we should be glad there are ballots to recount.

Wiz Imp

(5,371 posts)
163. Sheesh. So many people here who can't seem to read.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:12 PM
Wednesday


Yes the headline in the original post is COMPLETELY FALSE and really needs to be corrected. But if people simply read the portion of the article excerpted in the OP, they would see it referred to a "district", NOT a county.

And for people who think that 0 votes for a candidate in an individual precinct is impossible, not only is it possible IT HAPPENS IN HUNDREDS OF PRECINCTS EVERY ELECTION!!!!

This article has many many examples:
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

A brief excerpt:

Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well.

"If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."


So if you think the "district" in New York PROVES Trump cheated, then this proves that Obama cheated in 2008. Of course Obama didn't win all of the votes in 477 precincts in 2008 by cheating, it happened due to the make up of those precincts. Just like Trump won all of the votes in this NY district because of the make up of the district as well, NOT by cheating.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,338 posts)
171. One could ask voters there if they would like to declare they voted for Harris. Sure to get more than, say, 7. . . . nt
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:17 AM
Yesterday

HarryM

(375 posts)
180. Where in Rockland County, Kiryas Joel?.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:45 AM
Yesterday

I could see this district voting for only one candidate. It is an Chassidic religious community, where the people close the town on their religious holidays. It is probably the most backward communities in NY. Harris wasn’t totally pro Zionist, so it is entirely possible that this community unanimously voted for Nectarine Nero.
More about this closed community here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
While noodling around about this village, I found this: https://www.jns.org/satmar-chassidic-rebbe-in-kiryas-joel-ny-endorses-trump/
It is essentially a story in a Jewish news website stating that the local rebbe of this Chassidic sect has endorsed Don the Con. The story dates back to late October 2024.
This is why, I believe that it is entirely possible that they all voted for whoever their religious leader endorsed. It seems to be the way they roll.

onenote

(45,312 posts)
182. New Square New York
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:46 AM
21 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2025, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)

The locations where Harris received zero or next to zero votes are located in certain wards in the Town of Ramapo. There are over 120 such wards in Ramapo, averaging 1220 people per ward -- people, not voters). Within Ramapo, the village of New Square is a close-knit community of nearly 10,000 Hasidic Jews which itself is divided for voting purposes into a number of separate wards. This is an extremely insular sect of Hasids and I have little doubt that they universally would oppose a woman being elected president particularly one that they believed harbored pro-Palestinian views.

Folks saying you could never get the same answer from 500 people on any topic have no clue about places like New Square

PFparks

(3 posts)
190. Please correct this
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:58 AM
18 hrs ago

As others have commented, this is one election district and not all of Rockland County NY. There are several rapidly growing Hasidic communities in Rockland, Orange, and Sullivan Counties. It is not unusual for these communities to vote overwhelmingly for one candidate.

Snackshack

(2,549 posts)
191. This is interesting
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:07 PM
17 hrs ago

I would like to see more investigative reporting on this.

"...at least 227 bomb threats targeted polling locations, election offices, and tabulation centers around the country on Election Day and the days after. In addition, we saw explosive devices detonating on ballot drop boxes across multiple states in the Pacific Northwest, hoax calls claiming active shooters at schools serving as polling sites in the Northeast, and law enforcement deploying to voting locations across America in response."

We've been told 2024 was a 'relatively safe and secure election' but djt only won by 1.5%. This amount of interference in swing states, even if it only closed polling stations for an hour or 2 would be more than enough to make a 1.5% difference.

legallyblondeNYC

(93 posts)
196. This is in Mike Lawler's district.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:40 PM
15 hrs ago

One of the NY-based congressional elections that gave the Banana-Repubs the House ...

Montauk6

(9,133 posts)
201. Well... ROCKLAND COUNTY... what dya expect?
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 03:01 PM
14 hrs ago

Just kidding, just kidding...

Zero does look sus as hell.

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