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relayerbob

(7,211 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 11:57 AM Wednesday

Watch out for this on Saturday

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It is rumored that on June 14th, Proud Boys, and alt.. right groups plan to infiltrate the protests, attack the police and destroy property.
If violence breaks out at your protest sit DOWN.
Leave only the provocateurs standing
Please share far and wide. Do not let them provoke you

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Watch out for this on Saturday (Original Post) relayerbob Wednesday OP
K&R bdamomma Wednesday #1
Better yet, leave the vicinity immediately. Not only exposes provocateurs but much safer away. Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #2
That's my plan IronLionZion Wednesday #16
Never sit down at a protest. GTFO and be water Klarkashton Wednesday #27
Yes. Sitting down is very VULNERABLE to INJURY, if police charge crowd or if crowd panics. Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #42
Indivisible has been/ is doing a LOT of safety and de-escalation trainings. All the hosts are required to do these. Amaryllis Wednesday #3
I've also read to put down your sign if you need to escape. forgotmylogin Wednesday #53
And while sitting down, sing, so the nazi invaders will be shown for who they are. ancianita Wednesday #4
If I sang I'd be arrested moonscape Wednesday #6
We could sing duet..... Codifer Wednesday #7
In my case orangecrush Wednesday #11
lol ancianita Wednesday #15
lol Lulu KC Wednesday #50
My relatives all demand that I sing solo. SeattleVet Wednesday #58
Good advice Grim Chieftain Wednesday #5
Why would the provocateurs remain standing? flvegan Wednesday #8
The point is to do things that will set them apart relayerbob Wednesday #18
It also reduces the chance they can say there was widespread violence. usedtobedemgurl Wednesday #38
Proud Boys can't sit down, they don't have knees. This is known. WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #23
Thanks for the idea... good plan! liberalla Wednesday #9
Make videos, turn the thugs and videos over to the cops AverageOldGuy Wednesday #10
This ☝️ Beachnutt Wednesday #17
Yes! Ohioboy Wednesday #19
Everyone should be taking video DENVERPOPS Wednesday #32
This old lady will be there with bells on and cane held tightly in her fist! Mountain Mule Wednesday #57
Kick orangecrush Wednesday #12
Be careful out there, everyone! Passages Wednesday #13
K&R Exp Wednesday #14
Wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. Jay25 Wednesday #20
That is expected, its an old trick to blame the peacful protestors. Escurumbele Wednesday #21
And they all saw that he pardoned DENVERPOPS Wednesday #33
Sitting down when shit pops off is a terrible idea and people need to stop spreading it WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #22
What do you recommend people do instead? nt drmeow Wednesday #59
When shit pops off and they don't want to be a part of it? Leave. WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #60
That isn't always possible drmeow Wednesday #61
Sitting down is not going to keep you from being attacked or blamed, either, and puts you in a very vulnerable position. WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #62
I say to keep the cell phone cameras constantly going, record, record, record. Actually document who is doing SWBTATTReg Wednesday #24
Our KD committee members have been attending (Zoom) training sessions duhneece Wednesday #25
Not much of a worry in most places Warpy Wednesday #26
Yesterday, my mother told me she had heard an interview with Jason Stanley, the professor Mike 03 Wednesday #28
This is a terrible idea never do the sit down shit. Klarkashton Wednesday #29
Black Civil Rights Movement JustAnotherGen Wednesday #35
Go ahead if you want to get busted. This isn't Klarkashton Wednesday #36
"Black Civil Rights Movement ncluded sitting down." WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #40
This is EXACTLY what they want people to do relayerbob Wednesday #43
What this bullshit wants you to do is sit down Klarkashton Wednesday #44
Sounds like you should just stay home relayerbob Wednesday #45
Go ahead and sit down. It's fine with me. Klarkashton Wednesday #46
Interesting -- the ACLU training yesterday declined to give advice re this, but several No Kings/Indivisible LauraInLA Wednesday #47
Sitting down at a protest is an invitation to be voluntarily Klarkashton Wednesday #48
I understand what you're saying. I can also understand the notion that it differentiates the protestors from the LauraInLA Wednesday #49
Fascinating assertions Torchlight Wednesday #54
It's not an assertion it actually happens. Klarkashton Wednesday #56
What did the ACLU training suggest you do whopis01 22 hrs ago #65
They said because it was situational, they couldn't advise us, but to be aware of surroundings. LauraInLA 16 hrs ago #70
TY! mntleo2 Wednesday #30
Do everything possible to pull their masks off and get pictures moniss Wednesday #31
Just thinking out loud here... ShazzieB Wednesday #34
I'm sure with all the focus on LA and the fed presence already here, downtown is going to be a target if anyplace is. LauraInLA Wednesday #51
I think the wight wing is intent on throwing chum into the water. Torchlight Wednesday #37
And this: SayItLoud Wednesday #39
K & R malaise Wednesday #41
It's called the sitdown wave proud patriot Wednesday #52
Whodathunkit? BurnDoubt Wednesday #55
If you're taking videos (and all who can should try) GenThePerservering Wednesday #63
Of course. live love laugh Yesterday #64
If someone starts attacking police Hornedfrog2000 21 hrs ago #66
Another Kent State in the making. Joinfortmill 21 hrs ago #67
Our leadership at the protest murielm99 20 hrs ago #68
Just SHARED this on my FB timeline.. ProudMNDemocrat 20 hrs ago #69

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,338 posts)
2. Better yet, leave the vicinity immediately. Not only exposes provocateurs but much safer away.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:09 PM
Wednesday

Provocateurs depend on crowds for cover. Leaving will make them stop, which is a good thing. If it doesn't make them stop, then they are exposed. Win-win for us, the good side.

When the provocateurs leave, then go back. Or be protesting elsewhere already.

Repeat as many times as necessary to expose provocateurs.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,338 posts)
42. Yes. Sitting down is very VULNERABLE to INJURY, if police charge crowd or if crowd panics.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 03:48 PM
Wednesday

You'll get run over and won't be able to get up. People will fall on top of you and be pushed by the crowd on top of you. You could die.

If the crowd is too dense, move to a less crowded place.

Situational awareness at all times when in crowds. Keep an eye on the periphery for unusual movements.

Amaryllis

(10,457 posts)
3. Indivisible has been/ is doing a LOT of safety and de-escalation trainings. All the hosts are required to do these.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:18 PM
Wednesday

forgotmylogin

(7,878 posts)
53. I've also read to put down your sign if you need to escape.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:43 PM
Wednesday

When vandalism or violence breaks out, you are not protesting anymore. Leave the area safely and don't be holding anything they might decide is a weapon.

moonscape

(5,546 posts)
6. If I sang I'd be arrested
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:39 PM
Wednesday

for being violently off-key. Or maybe I’d make them run for their own damned lives!

Grim Chieftain

(214 posts)
5. Good advice
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:35 PM
Wednesday

I have really been concerned about violence against protesters, so we all need to be alert and aware.

flvegan

(65,061 posts)
8. Why would the provocateurs remain standing?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:46 PM
Wednesday

I mean, this whole "everyone sit down at once" with the expectations that thousands (tens of thousands?) of people will drop to their butts like a kindergarten class all at once has kind of made the rounds. I've seen this at least 6 or 7 times, and I'm not on the TikTok/Twitter/Insta disease-fests like most are. Do we think they'll just stand and be like, "okay, ya got me" in this sort of instance?

Maybe other folks have thought about this better than I have.

relayerbob

(7,211 posts)
18. The point is to do things that will set them apart
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:07 PM
Wednesday

They might sit, they might not, but if people are sitting, they aren't breaking windows, starting fires, etc., so even if they join the crowd and sit, that reduces potential violence.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,708 posts)
38. It also reduces the chance they can say there was widespread violence.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:39 PM
Wednesday

Hard to say folks were rioting if they are just sitting there.

AverageOldGuy

(2,642 posts)
10. Make videos, turn the thugs and videos over to the cops
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:49 PM
Wednesday

If cops are present, point out the thugs.

DENVERPOPS

(12,547 posts)
32. Everyone should be taking video
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:24 PM
Wednesday

AND the last thing you want to do is turn it over to the Police or ANY of the mainstream TV networks......get it to the WaPo and NYT or DU.....

And have people standing back from the main crowd, from an elevated position filming everything........

I for sure would not have a single individual at the Parade in DC......period.

I am looking for what the 6,000 military soldiers in the parade are wearing.......dress uniforms, or full battle gear......Very Telling..........It is a perfect set up to use excessive force on anyone who isn't a MAGAot.........and the entire day, across the entire U.S. will be a set up for any violence giving him the reason he wants to install the so-called Insurrection Act, over ride the Posse Comatatus Act, and declare martial law allowing him to use the entire U.S. Military against dissension in any manner, real or fancied by him and Fox News.......

Also, during the BLM demonstrations, people were following the individuals that were doing the major vandalism, breaking windows, and starting fires to see where they went after their actions. The peaceful demonstrators video recorded their actions and them leaving the "riot" to go back to their cars near the site and them escaping....definitely RW MAGAots, inciting violence as if they were demonstrators.......

This is what the Proud Boys have been waiting for, along with the 1600 pardoned by Trump, to have some payback.......

Interesting that a lot of the elderly that demonstrated in the 60's, tell me they can't participate due to their elderly condition and are in hopes that the younger participate........

Mountain Mule

(1,155 posts)
57. This old lady will be there with bells on and cane held tightly in her fist!
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:05 PM
Wednesday

I started out protesting in the 60's and I see no reason to stop now.

Jay25

(423 posts)
20. Wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:15 PM
Wednesday

Send in undercover goons to vandalize and attack police. Make sure fellow ICE comrades are present to whisk them away to safety, and then, the orange one declares martial law.

Escurumbele

(3,819 posts)
21. That is expected, its an old trick to blame the peacful protestors.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:18 PM
Wednesday

Every wanna-be-dictator uses the same tactics. I have friends in Venezuela, and they would tell me about it. Venezuela is not a big country like the USA is, people know who is who, they knew the thugs that were committing crimes during the peaceful protests were linked to the government.

Like what trump is trying to do here, Chavez implemented a militia called "Los Colectivos", the government equipped them with motorcycles, guns and a monthly salary to do what militias do, create chaos. The "Colectivos" went even further, started robbing people, collecting "protection fees" to small businesses, killed innocent people, raped women, and pretty much did whatever they pleased with the protection of the government.

trump's intent to pardon all the thugs who participated in the insurrection was not that he truly believes they were victims, or anything else, he did it because now he has the loyalty of the criminals, it is own personal army, and they are dangerous.

I cannot believe there is nothing that can be done to stop the madness, I sometimes think Democratic leaders are letting it happen to let the USA understand the mistake they made electing trump, and to allow republicans to show how disgraceful they are to make sure future elections go to the Democrats, the problem is that when you let something like this go too far, it is very difficult to stop it, to fix. It is like a snowball, once it gets going it just grows, the devastation it causes is tremendous.

DENVERPOPS

(12,547 posts)
33. And they all saw that he pardoned
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

the insurrectionists, all 1600 that were sitting in prison from his last time, and know he will do the same this time around, giving them immunity to act out any way they want.....

This entire Debacle was a set up, well organized, well orchestrated, and executed to create the situation we are enduring and what will take place in the near future.......They have been working towards this diligently, since they corruptly and using Treason, stole the election from Carter in 1980

drmeow

(5,622 posts)
61. That isn't always possible
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:20 PM
Wednesday

to do safely or without being blamed for what is going on.

When was the last time you were at a large protest?

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,107 posts)
62. Sitting down is not going to keep you from being attacked or blamed, either, and puts you in a very vulnerable position.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:28 PM
Wednesday
When was the last time you were at a large protest?
March, why?

SWBTATTReg

(25,393 posts)
24. I say to keep the cell phone cameras constantly going, record, record, record. Actually document who is doing
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:27 PM
Wednesday

what, when, and where. Every little bit will help nail the provocateurs later.

duhneece

(4,361 posts)
25. Our KD committee members have been attending (Zoom) training sessions
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:58 PM
Wednesday

They want all of us to ignore and don’t speak to folks who reveal themselves to not be supportive of our values and to SIT DOWN if we sense trouble.
We’re in a very red county in a poor blue state (New Mexico). We’ve been protesting every Saturday since early March.

Warpy

(113,529 posts)
26. Not much of a worry in most places
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:04 PM
Wednesday

because bullies shy away from situations where they know they're outnumbered.

People in red areas are going to need to figure out escape routes when the local cops show up. Alternate protest locations are also good, make them divide their forces and put them on the wrong foot all the way. Oh, and make sure the ACLI's number is somewhere on your person, you'll want to give them a call, too, if you're caught and thrown into jail.

Also realize that civil disobedience, even that protected by the constitution, is risky. That is especially true when a fucking fascist is in office.

My demo days are over, at least while I'm having the RA flare from hell. Thank you all for trying to restore my faith in my fellow Americans.

Mike 03

(18,484 posts)
28. Yesterday, my mother told me she had heard an interview with Jason Stanley, the professor
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:13 PM
Wednesday

specializing in Fascism, and she was anxious because he was predicting some kind of false flag or mass casualty event of some kind that Trump would then use to his advantage (as we've discussed here on many occasions). I think that is strange, because Professor Stanley is a very grounded, brilliant guy whose predictions (that I'm aware of) have come into being. He's not someone who makes hyperbolic, outlandish predictions that don't come to pass.

Your post just made me think about that.

Klarkashton

(3,567 posts)
29. This is a terrible idea never do the sit down shit.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:16 PM
Wednesday

GTFO as fast as you can. Never ever get arrested.
It will ruin your life and cost you a huge amount of time and money. I guarantee that if you sit down they will kettle you and arrest you.

JustAnotherGen

(35,305 posts)
35. Black Civil Rights Movement
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:31 PM
Wednesday

Included sitting down. If 20 Proud Boys stand up over 1000 protesters sitting down . .. dumping water and food on their heads, swearing at them, pushing them, etc. etc.

It's not a good look for America.

Never confuse the police with the white supremacist gangs - Klan, Proud Boys, etc. etc.

Klarkashton

(3,567 posts)
36. Go ahead if you want to get busted. This isn't
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:34 PM
Wednesday

The 1960s. If you can afford the time and money to get voluntarily arrested then do so.
The cops have no problem kettling 1000 people trust me.

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,107 posts)
40. "Black Civil Rights Movement ncluded sitting down."
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:44 PM
Wednesday

These were specialized activists who trained in the tactic and prepared for the likelihood of arrest or injury. They sat down to *bear* the violence, not try to show that someone else deserves it. Randos just plopping on their asses while cops are already swinging at violent "provocateurs" is a recipe for disaster.

relayerbob

(7,211 posts)
43. This is EXACTLY what they want people to do
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 03:51 PM
Wednesday

Turn tail and run away. No amount of cowardice will ever win people rights.

Klarkashton

(3,567 posts)
44. What this bullshit wants you to do is sit down
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 04:01 PM
Wednesday

And get arrested while the proud boys do a lot of damage and walk away .

LauraInLA

(2,154 posts)
47. Interesting -- the ACLU training yesterday declined to give advice re this, but several No Kings/Indivisible
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:38 PM
Wednesday

organizers here in the LA area are recommending it.

Klarkashton

(3,567 posts)
48. Sitting down at a protest is an invitation to be voluntarily
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:51 PM
Wednesday

Arrested. I'm sure you have seen video where people get hauled off one by one after being kettled. It seems like a righteous thing to do except that once it's over you are forgotten about.
Except for the court appearances, fines, jail and so on.

LauraInLA

(2,154 posts)
49. I understand what you're saying. I can also understand the notion that it differentiates the protestors from the
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:57 PM
Wednesday

disruptors. I’m guessing at least some of the choice depends on location/situation.

whopis01

(3,837 posts)
65. What did the ACLU training suggest you do
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:21 AM
22 hrs ago

if violence broke out or there were obvious agitators infiltrating the protest?

LauraInLA

(2,154 posts)
70. They said because it was situational, they couldn't advise us, but to be aware of surroundings.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 12:44 PM
16 hrs ago

mntleo2

(2,592 posts)
30. TY!
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:16 PM
Wednesday

Appreciate this alert and a way to stay safe (we hope with those violent jerks roaming around, who knows)?

Cat in Seattle

moniss

(7,441 posts)
31. Do everything possible to pull their masks off and get pictures
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:20 PM
Wednesday

so they can be tracked and identified.

ShazzieB

(20,863 posts)
34. Just thinking out loud here...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:29 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm always skeptical about internet rumors, just because I know the internet is like a giant game of telephone where things can easily get blown up and/or distorted out of proportion. So, imo, taking an unverified rumor with a grain of salt is usually a wise course of action. But assuming this one is true, here are my thoughts...

1. From what I'm hearing, there are around 1800 No Kings protests cheduled as of right now. That means there aren't nearly enough PBs to infiltrate all of them. If there are multiple white supremacist groups involved, that would change the calculus, but even so, I doubt that most of the protests will be affected, just based on sheer numbers.

2. That means they are going to have to choose which one(s) to target. If they show up at one of the really big protests in major cities (especially Philly, which is going to be the flagship event), they're more likely to make the news in a big way. But there will also be more police presence on hand to deal with them quickly.

3. If they show up at smaller protests, they'd probably have a significant impact in those localities but would be less likely to get the kind of mass media coverage I'm sure they want.

Considering all these factors, and assuming that media attention is a major motivation, I'm inclined to think they would focus on the bigger, major city protests, or maybe even just the one in Philly.

Personally, I'm going to be be at one of the more than two dozen protests scattered around the Chicago suburbs, rather than the big one in downtown Chicago. (The older I get, the more I tend to avoid gigantic crowds, and I know that one is going to be humongous.)

I'll won't be terribly surprised if there are PBs or other unpleasant counter protesters at the suburban protest I'm attending, and if they try to start anything, I plan to launch into "Give peace a Chance" at the top of my lungs (because it sends the right message and is easy to sing and familiar to just about everybody). But I won't be extremely surprised if nothing like that happens. Either way, I'll be prepared!

LauraInLA

(2,154 posts)
51. I'm sure with all the focus on LA and the fed presence already here, downtown is going to be a target if anyplace is.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 05:59 PM
Wednesday

Torchlight

(4,834 posts)
37. I think the wight wing is intent on throwing chum into the water.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:37 PM
Wednesday

And I think the admin intends to see violence happen regardless of peaceful behavior, flags, optics, or even rule of law.

SayItLoud

(1,763 posts)
39. And this:
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:44 PM
Wednesday

If there are piles of bricks, stones, marbles, etc. DON'T touch them or go near them. They are planted to provide items to stir violence.
Pass it on to all.

proud patriot

(102,044 posts)
52. It's called the sitdown wave
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:38 PM
Wednesday

it's in the tradition of Gahndi . Spread the word to those around you .

BurnDoubt

(618 posts)
55. Whodathunkit?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:56 PM
Wednesday

They're slavering for the taste of Blood. This is quite possibly "The Storm" they've been brewing.
Not even thinly veiled anymore.
Krasnov has been baying to them.

GenThePerservering

(2,878 posts)
63. If you're taking videos (and all who can should try)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:29 PM
Wednesday

please upload them to cloud storage, google drive, whatever in case your phone is lost, confiscated or whatever, you will not lose your evidence. It's fast and easy.

I will not be sitting down, that's crazy. I WILL be backing away and pointing if I see something, and say something.

murielm99

(32,014 posts)
68. Our leadership at the protest
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:24 AM
20 hrs ago

I want to attend has given us instructions. I will follow those instructions, and not some of the harebrained suggestions here.

We have been told not to engage. We can walk away from counter-protesters, not answer or converse with them. We can turn our backs.

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