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Ocelot II

(125,151 posts)
1. Seems like some very dead horses are being beaten today, but SCOTUS lives,
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:15 AM
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and if we want to blame anyone in particular (apart from the 49% of voters with their heads up their asses), we should look no farther than the craven justices who decided a sitting president really can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue with impunity, as long as he calls it an official act. I wonder if at least a few of them are starting to regret that decision?

unblock

(55,214 posts)
5. I'm sure they'll insist their decision was reasonable and *if* there's a problem, it's because Donnie is abusing it.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:03 PM
Tuesday

The decision was almost reasonable in a theoretical, academic sense divorced from the present circumstances.

If congress duly authorizes military action to defend America from an actual invasion, and a president commands troops to action in good faith accordingly, such a president shouldn't be prosecuted for murder.

Personally, I think such questions should be up to a jury, because some presidential actions could be in good faith and others might not be, etc. a wartime president might order a massacre or something for personal or other reasons not in good faith even while other actions in the war are in good faith. That's for a jury to decide, I think.

Instead, their decision means it's for the courts to decide as a matter of law if an action is official or not.

Moreover, there really isn't any language in the constitution to support "immunity".

Anyway, though, there's an argument for why their view might make sense in theory. But it ignores the reality that we have a dictator in the making looking for any leverage he can get and this hands him an excuse to break other law that was entirely predictable, and that's the big mistake.

It may be defensible in theory, but in practice it's a predictable disaster, setting up tyranny.

Ocelot II

(125,151 posts)
7. Agree. And some level of immunity is arguably appropriate to protect a former president
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:18 PM
Tuesday

from politically-motivated prosecutions by a current one - which, ironically, is exactly what Trump would be doing to Biden right now if it weren't for this decision. But Trump has interpreted the decision to mean he can do any damn thing he wants, which isn't what even this SCOTUS intended; and since it's established that a sitting president can't be prosecuted, Trump proceeds as if he can never be prosecuted. Would a future DoJ appointed by a Democrat (assuming there is one) try to prosecute Trump when he's out of office for clearly non-"official" acts, like blatant bribery, extortion and other financial crimes?

unblock

(55,214 posts)
9. I'd hope so, but I have my doubts....
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:26 PM
Tuesday

What's infuriating is the media's nonchalance about a convicted felon running the country, or at least the executive branch, with near complete disregard for law and order.

He's corrupted congress to the point he knows he won't be impeached, or at least not removed; he's corrupted the doj to the point where he knows he won't be prosecuted; and he's corrupted the Supreme Court to where at least they'll bend over backwards to accommodate him.

He has a license got mayhem, and he's taking full advantage, and the media is yawning instead of sounding major alarms.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,511 posts)
4. Not much seems to be directed at the real villains
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:03 PM
Tuesday

Judging by numbers of threads, responses and recs.

newdeal2

(2,811 posts)
3. We also need to be mad at our party
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:56 AM
Tuesday

Since the stolen 2000 election, 25 years of not holding Republicans accountable for all the shit they’ve done since.

vapor2

(2,502 posts)
6. PISSED about everything but specifically the immunity clause
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:05 PM
Tuesday

and the permission for doge to access our social security. They have failed our country and the legacy of Roberts will not be kind

hlthe2b

(110,152 posts)
10. Intensifying from Citizens United to overturning Roe v Wade to the ultimate--Presidential immunity decision...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:28 PM
Tuesday

I can say no more without erupting, so...

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