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PermatexNo.2

(44 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 11:48 PM 17 hrs ago

Remember simpler times when Barry Goldwater's convention speech told us that "Extremism in defense of.....

......liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue"? I know what Trump's misguided take on this is, exponentially worse than Goldwater's libertarian bloviatings. But given our prospects here in America today, Los Angeles comes to mind, I'll admit that this has left me scratching my head.

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Remember simpler times when Barry Goldwater's convention speech told us that "Extremism in defense of..... (Original Post) PermatexNo.2 17 hrs ago OP
I liked Goldwater when he got older videohead5 17 hrs ago #1
Not sure he moderated exactly ITAL 17 hrs ago #2
He did become more moderate when he marybourg 14 hrs ago #5
Yep. He also said that the governent had no business in your bedroom, doctor's office or church. PermatexNo.2 11 hrs ago #6
Goldwater planted the seed in 1964 DavidDvorkin 16 hrs ago #3
Senator Joe McCarthy planted the seed. andym 16 hrs ago #4

videohead5

(2,651 posts)
1. I liked Goldwater when he got older
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:02 AM
17 hrs ago

He moderated as he got older. A reporter asks him one time about Jerry Falwell saying that "all good Christians should get together and kick Sandra Day O'Connor off of the supreme court". Goldwater replied, "that he thought all good Christians should get together and kick Jerry Falwell in the ass".

ITAL

(1,053 posts)
2. Not sure he moderated exactly
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:06 AM
17 hrs ago

From what I understand he always disliked/distrusted super religious folks who sought to control things as they were an anathema to his libertarian leanings.

PermatexNo.2

(44 posts)
6. Yep. He also said that the governent had no business in your bedroom, doctor's office or church.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:05 AM
11 hrs ago

DavidDvorkin

(20,187 posts)
3. Goldwater planted the seed in 1964
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:37 AM
16 hrs ago

That grew into an evil plant -- Nixon, Reagan, and now Trump, the worst of all. Pre-Goldwater, the GOP was led by human beings. From him on, they've been slime.

andym

(5,990 posts)
4. Senator Joe McCarthy planted the seed.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:45 AM
16 hrs ago

Goldwater's strong libertarian views fade in significance to McCarthy who was a dangerous fear-monger. Nixon and Reagan both approved of McCarthy early on, before distancing themselves. Perhaps McCarthy's greatest influence is on Trump through Roy Cohn who worked with McCarthy and mentored Trump several decades later.

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