I also don't think

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that protesters should carry Mexican flags, but should fly American flags. This is because we have a message to the rest of the US, that we are in protest against trump's cruel and unlawful policies.

It isn't that we don't feel solidarity with peaceful immigrants. It's that we all have to be on the same page, and IMO illegals should show solidarity with US. They're living and working in the States, and we are in trouble. There are a lot of stupid Americans who will really think that trump is fighting off a Mexican invasion, and that there is some lawful pretext upon which to base his taking over the Guard. So, I think, give no excuse that can be given to such an unlawful action by trump.

That's just my opinion, of course. A small detail that needs some thought.

[The Blue Flower]

1. I noticed a lot of TRUMP flags in the crowd last night

The opposite is the stars and stripes.

[Silent Type]

3. I saw that, but think it was actually a photo from Jan 6th. I couldn't understand the trump flags in LA, so I checked.

There was also a photo of a police car burning attributed to LA riots this weekend, but it was from a riot years ago.

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4. What is your opinion of Pride flags?

I still think that only American flags should be flown, but, let's say you're a member of an oppressed group (of course, such as illegal immigrants). Do you fly your status proudly, or do you grit your teeth and join the protest line as a warrior?

Did you mean that "Trump flags" are represented with pro trump verbiage, or do you mean pictures of trump on a flag? Cause, I can think of a lot of "I hate trump" flags by way of images: baby trump, diaper don, taco trump...I still think that the only flag should be Old Glory, no matter the criticisms that are there, or failings. Now is the moment to organize and come together.

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2. Not sure who is advising immigrants, but showing up with helments, shields, projectiles, etc., ain't peaceful like 50501

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. "This is because we have a message to the rest of the US,"

We who? Are you out there protesting? Are you in community with immigrant leaders?

It's that we all have to be on the same page, and IMO illegals should show solidarity with US.

"Illegals." Also, solidarity with you regarding what issue? Do you want them here, or not?

[Ms. Toad]

6. But we aren't all on the same page,

and insisting on purity means that we will always be a minority - or, more actually, lots of minority groups with overlapping views but who let our differences dilute our voice on the things on which we can unite.

Those who find ICE raids unacceptable (or even who only find certain ICE raids unacceptable) can speak with a united voice on that issue without insisting that everything else we say is identical.

Some of those who find ICE raids also unacceptable are proud Mexicans - or support their friends and neighbors who are Mexicans - or even think that right now Mexico might be a better place to be. Nothing wrong with ALSO expressing any of that, as long as it doesn't contradict the main message.

[EndlessWire]

8. I'm thinking in terms of

the laws that Newsome is relying on in our lawsuit to get the federalized troops out of our state. We don't need to hand trump a picture to support his brief, in which he is going to say, "insurrection," and "foreign countries." Or, his "right" to do it, just because he's currently pResident.

Also, what happens here will inspire other states and their lawsuits for the same thing based on the same laws. We are so law abiding. It's easy to say, "Get your gun," and much harder to thread the needle in order to win, especially with the RW SC. It does seem like Newsom is trying his darndest to keep us coloring within the lines.

My current symbol of defiance is the young man with the skateboard who got shot at with some kind of ordinance (I don't think he got hit--???), and emerged from the smoke to turn and give them the finger. He didn't have any kind of flag. He just seemed to be passing by. I don't know what he said or did. It looked like he just approached them.

I live with Mexicans surrounding me, along with an Israeli family. I long ago declared my place to be a trump free zone, and politics are not available here. It works well.

"...and insisting on purity means that we will always be a minority - or, more actually, lots of minority groups with overlapping views but who let our differences dilute our voice on the things on which we can unite." You see, I believe the Mexican flags are devisive. We should unite FOR the US and AGAINST Trump. Fascism is the issue here, not who is legal or illegal. DUE PROCESS is the basis on which we hang our flags. But when you complain in court, you have to present a coherent, logical approach for your issue. Trump's unlawfulness will not be based on deportation--it will be based on the fact that trump unlawfully seized power over the Guard. If we win there, other states also have a chance to win, (although they do, anyway,) and that will be helpful to have the Guard tell him, "No" in the coming Civil War 2.0.

Trump is absolutely counting on the military to support his regime. He's counting on the top military guys to refuse to support the citizens in getting rid of fascism. There are three things they can do: Come in and shoot us all down; they can fight with us; or they can say "no" and do nothing. There are not enough cops to control us. Sooner or later, trump will have to flee. I say, let him go. Let some hurricane get him in the Caribbean.

[Ms. Toad]

12. I don't stand FOR the US, any more than I stand for any other piece of property surrounded by human borders.

So people carrying Mexican flags are just as united with me AGAINST Trump as people carrying US flags. In many instances, probably more united with me.

Mexican flags carried by protesters no more inherently mean those bearing them are foreign than did burning flags in the Vietnam war meant those burning them were foreign - both are acts of expression, not a declaration of citizenship or alliance to another country.

Trump will do whatever he is going to do regardless of whether protesters are carrying Mexican flags or not. The court case will be decided based on the facts, and the law - not on what messages individual protesters are conveying - and carrying Mexican flags does not convert a protest into an invasion.

[Skittles]

7. *PLEASE* STOP STAYING "ILLEGALS"

THAT is what fascist repukes say to DEHUMANIZE undocumented people.

[EndlessWire]

9. Oh, get a grip. n/t

[Skittles]

11. yeah, that is what I figured

WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN

disgusting

DONE HERE

[EndlessWire]

14. Fine. Do what you want to do.

But you shouldn't expect to insult me and have me remain silent.

Let's sort this out:

There are two categories, in general (I feel like I have to spell that out for you) of immigrants: 1) legal immigrants, who went through the process by applying to the government to immigrate and were granted the status, and who might be on a track to naturalize; and 2) illegal immigrants (NOT undocumented) who did not try but came over the border and do not have the status that the first group has.

There's no getting around that. Despite what rump says, we do not have open borders, and if you come over the border and settle in, you are still committing a crime, an infraction, or violation of the rules (no matter what you want to call it) and you are illegally immigrating.

I am sorry you are so upset. I have no idea what you mean by "what I have always known." You don't know me. You want to insult me because of previous judgments, I don't gaf. You be you. I did not insult anyone. I did not intend to insult anyone. I am here to learn. That's all. I wonder what you would have said if I had called them "illegal aliens." You might have stroked. Glad I didn't.

I think that American life is enriched by immigrants. I feel strongly that we have to protect them, out of our own self interest. I grew up when they were called "illegal aliens," until that term was changed, and "melting pot" was still understood to be positive.

If you want to be overly sensitive regarding what I consider legalease, just remember to take a deep breath every now and again. You're not doing yourself any favors. No insults are hurled here, except the one you hurled at me. Step back.

[Ms. Toad]

13. I'm surprised I missed that part of the comment. n/t

[Skittles]

15. it makes me sick

very telling if someone defends such ugliness, too

[Buns_of_Fire]

10. I expect to see a mix. Which is fine with me.

The important thing is that no one uses theirs to beat someone else over the head with. In other words, peaceful above all else.