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senseandsensibility

(22,375 posts)
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 07:13 PM Yesterday

New message from Gov. Newsom: he has formally requested the Trump

administration rescind their "unlawful deployment" of troops in Los Angeles and "return them to my command."
From Kyle Griffin on bluesky.

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New message from Gov. Newsom: he has formally requested the Trump (Original Post) senseandsensibility Yesterday OP
Only thing missing is Trump on the scene waving his Bible. bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
i was hoping that the bible in his hand would have caught fire . AllaN01Bear Yesterday #5
You could be right. EndlessWire 22 hrs ago #38
Not to mention, if it's his Limited Edition copy... Montauk6 14 hrs ago #41
Stay tuned.... His Chinese made bible will be presented at some point(s). OK schools standard issue. n/t Evolve Dammit 7 hrs ago #44
Yep, waving it upside down and backwards... keep_left 3 hrs ago #48
Just take them back Newsom. Dump has no right. Clouds Passing Yesterday #2
With 2 leaders claiming command, what would the troops do? MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #27
Ignore the Governor DetroitLegalBeagle 23 hrs ago #32
I agree MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #37
"The courts must decide..." OldBaldy1701E 7 hrs ago #43
The courts have been consistently finding for us MadameButterfly 5 hrs ago #46
This is the truth. Just send out the order. Klarkashton 23 hrs ago #30
I appreciate Newsom's messaging today senseandsensibility Yesterday #3
Agent Orange hates our state. He will fuck with us every chance he gets. Magoo48 Yesterday #19
Trump people thought they saw some low hanging Klarkashton 23 hrs ago #31
California is Lib Central. magicarpet 1 hr ago #52
Wonder if he could get a judge to stop it like they did with the deportation flight to El Salvador. Seems Amaryllis Yesterday #4
has anyone seen a legal analysis explaining how it's unlawful? WarGamer Yesterday #6
Newsom spells it out in this letter.... chowder66 Yesterday #10
The Adjt General of the Guard fucked up Captain Zero Yesterday #12
The Guard fell under the Fed because Trump federalized them. That makes Trump the Commander in Chief over them. chowder66 Yesterday #20
They should have gamed this out Cosmocat Yesterday #21
I'm going to take a wild guess that they probably went the way they did to minimize further escalation. chowder66 Yesterday #24
You can't think Newsome's team hasn't vanlassie 23 hrs ago #29
Maybe this is exactly how they want it to play out. MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #33
Thank you. Kingofalldems Yesterday #13
You're welcome. chowder66 Yesterday #15
So no coordination as required by law? senseandsensibility Yesterday #14
Par for the course. chowder66 Yesterday #16
Precursor to asking the courts Figarosmom Yesterday #7
That had occurred to me as well senseandsensibility Yesterday #8
I've been listening to the lawyers on MSNBC and this is good BigmanPigman 23 hrs ago #26
It seems like there has been a lot of "getting on the record" since yesterday Renew Deal Yesterday #17
Trump has gone fucking mad with power. He needs to be shown the door now. Initech Yesterday #9
That happened a long time ago MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #34
Yeah, that's what I think. EndlessWire 22 hrs ago #39
Talking about Chips and Shoulders... Discipline!!! BurnDoubt Yesterday #11
Yeah, you tell him, Newsom! Mr.Bee Yesterday #18
Hey, California and NY in solidarity MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #35
He can yell Mr.Bee 21 hrs ago #40
Oh, com'on Newsom, please stop being so effing naive zorbasd Yesterday #22
Not naive MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #36
He knows more than you. BannonsLiver 7 hrs ago #45
He has to play his cards wisely. cachukis 1 hr ago #51
Send it to the Supreme Court on emergency. kentuck Yesterday #23
Good! Now he can sue the tRump admin. BigmanPigman Yesterday #25
That's a start. Newsom can F all the way off with his AllyCat 23 hrs ago #28
States rights? MoseShrute 7 hrs ago #42
TSF pushes everything to the limit. returnee 4 hrs ago #47
President Bonespurs is 5 days away from his military dictator's parade AdamGG 2 hrs ago #49
Time for La Puebla to take the lead, not politicians JCMach1 1 hr ago #50

bucolic_frolic

(50,734 posts)
1. Only thing missing is Trump on the scene waving his Bible.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 07:35 PM
Yesterday

The American public will see this for what it is: orchestrated overkill. An attempt to get out in front of No Kings Day with a Portland-style staged display of power.

EndlessWire

(7,860 posts)
38. You could be right.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 10:59 PM
22 hrs ago

I saw one of his interviews, and he is obsessed with Gavin Newsom. He didn't say anything much about rioters. He's focused on getting Newsom.

1. Nobody attends the "birthday" parade. Nobody.
2. No Kings Day happens everywhere.
3. We are going to have to initiate General Strike days, where nobody works or does anything. Except, emergency services.

Nothing he does here will be something he can be held accountable for, thanks to the Roberts Court. I still think we should go after his golf course. Don't know how, but we should eliminate it for him.

I feel really blue today, in more ways than one.

Montauk6

(9,130 posts)
41. Not to mention, if it's his Limited Edition copy...
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:01 AM
14 hrs ago

the biggest informercial grift since the Golden Age of Tom Vu and Don LePre.

Evolve Dammit

(20,748 posts)
44. Stay tuned.... His Chinese made bible will be presented at some point(s). OK schools standard issue. n/t
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 02:05 PM
7 hrs ago

keep_left

(2,921 posts)
48. Yep, waving it upside down and backwards...
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:34 PM
3 hrs ago

...and in front of a "woke, accepting church" as well (including a rainbow flag!) because Trump's too lazy to find the "right" church.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220318626#post4
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219567168#post45

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,379 posts)
32. Ignore the Governor
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:59 PM
23 hrs ago

He is no longer in command over them. That changed as soon as the Federal call up happened. This will have to get taken to court to order invalidate the call up.

MadameButterfly

(3,041 posts)
37. I agree
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 10:11 PM
23 hrs ago

In any case you can't have it be unclear.
The courts must decide, and it will determine whether Trump can take over all the National Guards or whether these are forces that belong to the states. Trump doesn't want the Governors to have any force available to them if he starts doing even crazier stuff.

MadameButterfly

(3,041 posts)
46. The courts have been consistently finding for us
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 04:15 PM
5 hrs ago

Obviously SCOTUS is a wild card. But if 95% of the courts in the country rule against Trump and are overturned by 6 people, at least it will be on the record that SCOTUS is installing a dictatorship.

Roberts and Barrett might have a problem with that. That is our hope.
We have to establish the illegality of what he is doing. We won't win in a gunfight.

If Trump ignores the courts and uses the military, it will at least be understood by all that it is a coup.
Which will be important when the country falls apart and the sycophants and military won't prop him up anymore.

senseandsensibility

(22,375 posts)
3. I appreciate Newsom's messaging today
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 07:38 PM
Yesterday

I now see a chyron on MSNBC quoting Newsom as saying that California did not have a problem until trump got involved. He's keeping it simple and going on the offense.

Magoo48

(6,361 posts)
19. Agent Orange hates our state. He will fuck with us every chance he gets.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:38 PM
Yesterday

He will find all the resistance he wants here. If he doesn’t find it, he will create it just so he can punish our state.
In my not so humble opinion, I think we should drive the fucker crazy with every opportunity which arises.

Klarkashton

(3,463 posts)
31. Trump people thought they saw some low hanging
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:56 PM
23 hrs ago

Fruit in LA for a big win. They have no funding idea about Los Angelinos. No fucking clue.

magicarpet

(18,422 posts)
52. California is Lib Central.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:57 PM
1 hr ago

trDUMP wants to wrestle Newsom to the ground and shave his head on live TV.

If djt can out maneuver Newsom then djt can conquer the remaining states in a show of force.

If trDUMP wins this - trDUMP's brand of Fascism will become the political ideology of the day. The Heritage Foundation will pull the plug on American Democracy and Project 2025 will flip into high gear taking over every facet of our government as we transition into a Christo-Fascist Theocracy.

Amaryllis

(10,419 posts)
4. Wonder if he could get a judge to stop it like they did with the deportation flight to El Salvador. Seems
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 07:44 PM
Yesterday

the judiciary is the remedy here.

chowder66

(10,661 posts)
10. Newsom spells it out in this letter....
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:18 PM
Yesterday

Read the entire text of Newsom’s letter below:

Dear Secretary Hegseth:

On June 7, 2025, President Trump issued a memorandum to your office entitled “Department of Defense Security for the Protection of Department of Homeland Security Functions.” The memorandum purports to invoke 10 U.S.C. § 12406 to “call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard . . . to temporarily protect ICE and other United States Government personnel who are performing Federal functions, including the enforcement of Federal law, and to protect Federal property.” The memorandum further directs “actions as necessary for the Secretary of Defense to coordinate with the Governors of the States and the National Guard Bureau in identifying and ordering into Federal service the appropriate members and units of the National Guard under this authority.”

Section 12406 states that “the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary” to (1) repel an invasion of the United States by a foreign nation; (2) suppress a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or (3) execute the laws of the United States when the President is unable to do so with regular forces. Section 12406 further states that “[o]rders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States.”

.......

Last night, the Adjutant General of California received a memorandum from your office with the subject line “Calling Members of the California National Guard into Federal Service,” which states that “[t]wo thousand members of the California National Guard will be called into Federal service effective immediately for a period of 60 days.” Notably, this directive did not issue “through the governor[] of the State[]” as required by section 12406; the Department of Defense did not transmit this directive to the Office of the Governor, nor was it approved or ordered by the Governor of California. This directive is also inconsistent with the President’s memorandum, which anticipates “coordinat[ion] with the Governors of the States” in identifying and ordering units of the National Guard into federal service.

more......


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gavin-newsom-demands-trump-remove-232539960.html

Captain Zero

(7,933 posts)
12. The Adjt General of the Guard fucked up
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:22 PM
Yesterday

He should have told Trump he couldn't accept the orders if they did not come from/through the Governor of California. Newsome should dismiss the Adjt. General.

chowder66

(10,661 posts)
20. The Guard fell under the Fed because Trump federalized them. That makes Trump the Commander in Chief over them.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:44 PM
Yesterday

That doesn't mean it was right or legal however. Unfortunately that has to be dealt with after the fact.

The letter starts that process so I don't think the General will be dismissed.... due to the chain of command. This is one of those gray areas that Trump is so good at exploiting.

We will have to see what happens.

Cosmocat

(15,182 posts)
21. They should have gamed this out
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:48 PM
Yesterday

Seen it coming and had their solicitor figure out how to cut it off when they tried to pull it.

chowder66

(10,661 posts)
24. I'm going to take a wild guess that they probably went the way they did to minimize further escalation.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:07 PM
Yesterday

Not that it wouldn't have escalated anyway but I suspect we will learn more over time.

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know but they have lawyers that probably do.

MadameButterfly

(3,041 posts)
33. Maybe this is exactly how they want it to play out.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 10:03 PM
23 hrs ago

There has to be a problem before they can litigate it. We don't know if there are lawyers who have been working on this, just as the AGs of many states were preparing cases against Trump even before he took office.



senseandsensibility

(22,375 posts)
8. That had occurred to me as well
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:06 PM
Yesterday

You have to ask formally and in writing to start the process, I assume.

BigmanPigman

(53,117 posts)
26. I've been listening to the lawyers on MSNBC and this is good
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:22 PM
23 hrs ago

Newsom needed to do this first in order to be able to sue tRump. It's a process. Newsom knows what he is doing.

Renew Deal

(84,037 posts)
17. It seems like there has been a lot of "getting on the record" since yesterday
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:35 PM
Yesterday

Lawyer written statements from multiple California government officials. My guess is that those were made for when the investigations happen

MadameButterfly

(3,041 posts)
34. That happened a long time ago
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 10:05 PM
23 hrs ago

This is just the next step in his plan. I'm guessing he thought it would be easier to do

EndlessWire

(7,860 posts)
39. Yeah, that's what I think.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 11:09 PM
22 hrs ago

He doesn't have a clue. He hates Cali, and thinks he can just do this with impunity.

zorbasd

(417 posts)
22. Oh, com'on Newsom, please stop being so effing naive
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 08:59 PM
Yesterday

Agent Krasnov, aka TACO BOI, could care f#cking less what and how you say it, he wants the perception and creative narrative, that he is kicking your ass in a power trip authoritarian brow beating of you, and succeeding.
Take control of your CA National Gaurd with your authority! His takeover is illegal, and thus lawless. Take control by your legal and constitutional right and decree.
GROW A PAIR!.....JFC!

kentuck

(113,930 posts)
23. Send it to the Supreme Court on emergency.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:01 PM
Yesterday

We will see just how much they believe in "states rights"?

AllyCat

(17,946 posts)
28. That's a start. Newsom can F all the way off with his
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:52 PM
23 hrs ago

RW cozy upping. Time to turn this completely around governor.

MoseShrute

(65 posts)
42. States rights?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 01:25 PM
7 hrs ago

It wasn’t very long ago when kristy noem (sp?) as governor got on tv and railed about President Biden threatening to deploy the National Guard in texas to prevent razor wire from being placed in the Rio Grande. She said that would be stomping all over texas’s “states rights.” Where’s that plastic-filled platypus now?

returnee

(555 posts)
47. TSF pushes everything to the limit.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:00 PM
4 hrs ago

That’s how he finds how far he can go. It’s his habitual modus operandi, conscious strategy. Make him backtrack, just like on tariffs.

AdamGG

(1,712 posts)
49. President Bonespurs is 5 days away from his military dictator's parade
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:07 PM
2 hrs ago

and it's concerning that he'd probably like to declare martial law. Just saw the news that they're deploying 700 US Marines. I hope the protestors are super abundant, but that things remain peaceful.

JCMach1

(28,710 posts)
50. Time for La Puebla to take the lead, not politicians
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:35 PM
1 hr ago

There are no white knights coming.


Unless you count the KKK with ICE badges.

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