Everything bad that happens in the world is Putin's fault.

[k_buddy762]

Discuss

[Renew Deal]

1. We can blame Putin for the Knicks losing?

Who is going to tell Spike Lee?

[Swede]

2. Your concern is noted.

Nt

[markpkessinger]

3. You're new here . . .

. . . I think you'll find that few are willing to take you up on your attempt at baiting like this. Generally, on DU, if people want to discuss something, they will post something that lays out their own position, and then people respond accordingly. Asking people to "discuss" a particular quotation, with no indication of whom you are quoting, and no indication of your own position, when you yourself have a very short track record here, makes people suspect you are trolling.

[k_buddy762]

4. Yep

Quite right.

Want to see how many jump on and agree, since I see so many things blamed on him. He plays his part, to be sure, and he is an evil murderous demon living among us, but there is an unrealistic, almost hyper-personified, attribution of blame that I see daily, and its frankly alarming.

[Hekate]

16. You see this here?

[k_buddy762]

19. Daily.

[yardwork]

20. Why is it alarming?

[Hekate]

17. Well stated

[Torchlight]

5. Sounds serious

Good luck

[k_buddy762]

9. Much obliged

[orangecrush]

6. Nice bombers he has there

Be a shame if something "happened" to them

[canetoad]

7. When you have been here a while

You will know that it's considered rude to throw out a contentious statement with the order 'discuss'. You could always start by presenting your considered views on the topic, just to give DUers an idea of from where you are coming.

[edhopper]

8. Has anybody here ever said that

Or are you referring to many who see Trump as his puppet and don't agree.

Starting off with a strawman argument is never a good way to go.

[k_buddy762]

10. Both I suppose

The Poland thing is what set me off I guess. I keep seeing Putin's name being thrown around as the chief boogeyman for lots of different things. I'm not a fan and I wish he'd go away, and that's as impolite as I'm willing to speak about that. But I don't see his influence everywhere and think it might be a little bit of madness to do so....

[edhopper]

12. You do know Putin interfered

With the Polish Election and backed the guy who won?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-says-russia-is-trying-interfere-presidential-election-2025-05-06/

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/05/15/poland-suspects-russian-interference-in-presidential-election-campaign_6741318_143.html#

[k_buddy762]

13. My guess is that most civilized countries

in the world interfere and influence each other's operations, elections, societies, etc.

[edhopper]

14. Okay

Bye

[Igel]

11. A few obvious truths.

1. If you're religious, then you can point to an ultimate evil (or some cosmic principle) to handle 100% of something. Otherwise, divide and distribute proportionately.

2. In most events that are bad, the amount of responsibility is arguably greater than 100%. Yes, you can renormalize that, but it's still true that each side has a larger number of options (most of the time) to avoid a problem or conflict than we like to admit at the time. Many options are utterly unpalatable. But in hindsight, there are quite a few solutions that are far better than the mess of a solution opted for.

WWI was avoidable. The Civil War was avoidable. WWII was avoidable. The Russian Civil War was avoidable--as was the Revolution and the gambling that helped produce not only WWII but 21 million or so dead at the hands of socialist Stalin and more at the hands of Lenin. (Call them "communist," but that's like saying pre-Millennialist Xians think that they're already in the Kingdom and Jesus is ruling, now, over the Earth. Communists believed in a future, as do the PM Xians. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was aptly named. As Stalin said, they were building--right up to his death, "building"--socialism in one country. The rest is just S.)

Nobody thought was possible or likely so the solutions were demoted to unpalatable. Take the Civil War. Now, show those driving towards war the outcome of the war. Include the Northerners in that show--divided, like male and female in various religious services. And ask if the death and bloodshed is worth it--and put it to a vote. See if the line between good/evil doesn't do a bit of a shift.

[Hekate]

15. Every so often someone at DU appoints themselves Teacher and commands us to "Discuss"

No, thank you.

PS: “Everything bad that happens in the world is Putin's fault” said no one ever.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Of course not. What kind of a ridiculous question is that?

Believe it or not, there were bad things in the world even before Putin was born.