Jamie Raskin's take on the arrest of the Judge

[senseandsensibility]

"This is a drastic escalation and dangerous new front in Trump's authoritarian campaign of trying to bully, intimidate, and impeach judges who won't follow his dictates. We must do whatever we can to defend the independent judiciary in America."

[BoRaGard]

1. "The so-called Rule of Law is for proles, not magat G.O.P.ers" - magat GOPers

[dchill]

2. "We must do whatever we can..."

...which is what? (Seriously.)

[stillcool]

6. What do people do?

eventually it seems the dictator/tyrants get run out of town, but when? Why? How? Feels like if they loot the government of all they can, they'll leave. But they aren't like normal thieves.

[Codifer]

12. It is not money they crave.

It is the power that will allow them to be cruel.

[Mr. Evil]

14. And then,

acquire more money.

[stillcool]

23. yeah but it's a common refrain

through history of empires becoming and failing. For some reason this feels like a hostile take-over with the intent of destruction. Like corporations do to build monopolies. Don't know what would be left for them to want to stay. The military has to be the holy grail, and who knows what's been going on there.

[Codifer]

25. The military is key.

I could fall into either of two traps.

The dismal trap is a rabbit hole which leads past the Stanford experiment and Kent State all the way to Mai Lai and worse.

The more dangerous trap is to think that they are all Opie from Mayberry.

[TommyT139]

29. Remember Hegseth defended the war criminal

...whose treatment of civilians was so egregious that guys from his own team testified against him.

[GiqueCee]

32. And the word, "POWER"...

... is just shorthand for "TOTAL DOMINION OVER THE LIVES OF OTHERS".

[Magoo48]

33. This, massively

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[Basso8vb]

9. Lead, fight or get out of the way.

[writerJT]

28. Sick of hearing that.

Hopefully he has some kind of action plan. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. But yeah, that phrase and others like it are worn-out at this point.

[usonian]

3. This is a fascist coup. Do whatever you CAN'T.

Rise up.

[Hornedfrog2000]

4. Oh yes

We must make speeches, and slowly watch russia overthrow our democracy. We literally have another nation spending billions to pump in propaganda. Blackmail and buy our politicians and we cant even get our leaders to say we are at WAR with another nation. We are too scared to say out loud what is happening. Until someone has the guts to call a pot a pot, we are going to continue to lose this seditious war.

[stillcool]

7. you haven't been listening

[Mr. Evil]

15. What the fuck does that mean!?

[summer_in_TX]

31. My guess is that it refers to the fact that prominent Dems ARE saying it, but it gets drowned out.

Off the top of my head, they include AOC, Chris Murphy, Jamie Raskin, Bernie Sanders (I know, but he caucuses with Dems), Maxwell Frost, President Obama, Tim Walz, Chris Van Hollen, Jasmine Crockett and many others.

The problem is that we don't have our own media system amplifying their statements and individuals who have assigned themselves the jobs of doing so easier. Unlike the right-wing media and their followers.

So we hear what Dems say far less often than we hear what Republicans are saying. We are losing the messaging war. We are outgunned by a factor of 1000+.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

40. Yep. The question is what is in it for Rupert Murdoch?

He is to blame for a lot of this.

[summer_in_TX]

44. Murdoch and Roger Ailes and others are to blame.

But Dems could’ve and should’ve been working to set up a counterbalancing media force. Instead, they are far behind the curve.

They were in denial about the power the media can exercise to shape public opinion and manufacture consent.. Many tried to tell them, but they did not take it seriously.

[Evolve Dammit]

8. K&R

[lame54]

5. Can a judge toss this?

[Iamscrewed]

10. Branches of government

Are supposed to be separate and equal and that system has failed.

[hannah]

11. I am mad as HELL

And I am not go to take it anymore.

[Nigrum Cattus]

13. Time to use people power -

Jury nullification
Nobody is guilty of anything
Luigi, not guilty
Judge, not guilty

[Passages]

16. Raskin is one of my favorite Dems.

So smart, and a great guy too.

[senseandsensibility]

17. And knowing him

I think this statement is just the beginning of his legal action.

[Passages]

18. I expect nothing less.

[Meowmee]

19. Shit is getting more serious.. what will they do?

[634-5789]

20. Hang on.....anything can happen now and I'll see you in the streets....

When they openly come for the judiciary can we be far behind?

[Jughead]

21. The SCJ

They shouldn’t think they are immune from this.

[TomSlick]

22. Judges don't like parties coming to or going from their courtroom to be arrested or served with civil process.

They don't want parties to not come to court when required. However, there is usually no law against it. If there is a state law, it would be preempted by federal law.

Law enforcement, state or federal, would do well to not make arrests or serve process on parties coming or going from a court hearing. Judges have long memories and will find some way to make their displeasure known.

Charging a judge is an unnecessary overreach and may have consequences.

[AntiFascist]

35. There should be state legislation protecting against illegal Federal seizures, and protecting state and county courts nt

[TomSlick]

41. Any such state legislation would be preempted by federal law.

What is needed is federal legislation to prevent arrests of parties and witnesses coming to, in, or leaving a court proceeding. Of course, that's not going to happen with the current Congress.

[AntiFascist]

43. Possibly in the case of undocumented immigrants, but let me put this in stronger terms...

"Well regulated" local or state forces are able to confront Federal agents who are attempting to seize or abduct a legal resident without having proper authorization or due process. This is allowed under the 2nd Amendment by upholding the status of a "free State," in other words, protecting a state resident's freedoms under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The greatest danger of fascism or authoritarianism is in eliminating our entitled freedoms. The framers of the Constitution foresaw this danger in the form of a potential monarch taking control of the Presidency.

[usaf-vet]

24. I want to know who is calling the plays. It can't be Djt he doesn't think that far ahead.

He just claims he is. Somebody is pulling the puppet strings.

Don't tell me it is Putin. It's some one closer to day to day. Minute to minute. Fu*k-up to Fu*k-up.

[Farmer-Rick]

26. The Supreme Court Justices are next

They better play ball with Trump or get arrested by the FBI.

So much for justice and the rule of law.

A dick tater like pedo Trump doesn't need a judiciary since he's the law. Only the dick tater knows what the law really means....

[pat_k]

27. I'm waiting for condemnation of the "guidance"...

...that turned courtrooms in an ICE playgrounds.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/foia/policy/11072.3_CivilImmEnfActionsCourthouses_01.21.2025.pdf

Allowing ICE to take people into custody who are simply appearing in court as part of a civil matter, criminal matter, or a check in or adjudication of a case related to an asylum petition should be appalling to anyone who believes in the rule of law. Implicit in that belief is the principle that all incentives should be in favor of encouraging people to comply with the law. If you claim to believe in the rule of law but are in favor of forcing people into a catch 22 of following the law and appearing and risking being unlawfully sent to a foriegn prison for life or violating an appearance order, then I submit you really don't care about the rule of law.

Turning courthouses into ICE playgrounds is appalling. Period. I hope this case results in an injunction on the conduct.

[TommyT139]

30. The abductors wore no identification,

...had street clothes on, served no papers, and did not say who they were.

The real question is, why aren't court guards shooting these kidnappers?

Because in a number of cases around the country, it turns out that people claiming to be ICE were not ICE, but ordinary rapists, thieves, and kidnappers.

Why can't a courthouse guard, or, on the street, an upstanding bystander, try to stop a crime in process??

[not fooled]

34. Interesting.

A segment on MSNBC's Alex Witt show just now had a guest/legal expert (sorry, I didn't catch her name) saying that "this was a lawful arrest" of the immigrant and that the judge was wrong in interfering. I had a sinking feeling listening to her defend the arrest that she was glossing over something in order to "both sides" the situation and overall soft-pedal the actions of the criminal administration. She did say that the judge shouldn't have been arrested the way she was but should have been allowed to turn herself in.

MSNBC...I dunno these days.

[AntiFascist]

36. Did the ICE agents identify themselves and have a warrant?

Why were they masked, plainclothes, and taking the victim to an unmarked vehicle?

[pat_k]

38. The 47 regime: Bullying and intimidation for billionaires.

Your point is well taken, but we need to radically shift the way we respond -- and encourage electeds who opposed the regime to do the same.

It's a fascist regime power grab in every sector of civil society. They know they won't get away with it all, but as we treat each new horror as a separate "story" that we dig into and respond to on details, we are on their turf. If we are to lead the way out of this we must be far more effective in our response. Some electeds are begining to get it, but none are seriously changing the game. To that end they (and we) must

(1) STOP chasing every new horror as a separate event.

(2) Be willing to use language that hits nerves.

(3) Say fewer things as we connect every horror to a clear, and limited, set of activating truths about what they are doing -- and what we stand for.

Opposition is NOT defense of the status quo against the attack on American values by a bullying regime dedicated to the interests of itself and the billionaires who put them in power. And we must call on our electeds to stop acting as defenders of the status quo that Americans across the political spectrum reject as not serving their interests.

I just came across Anat Shenker-Osorio. She was on the That Trippi Show April 18th, (episode: "If you want to touch a nerve, you have to touch a nerve " )

Please listen, wherever you get your podcasts. This is so important.

Here is Anat's Freedom Over Fascism Toolkit. Her guidance sets out a simple way to stop running after the latest horror and talk about the horrors within the same narrative frame -- over and over and over.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1s0JbXhND7-1iqABNcUNL031NQLxkLfr-USkCKGZTidI/mobilebasic

I think she is spot on on about everything. And on parts I question, I am likely to defer to her take because it is grounded in research and experience. YMMV, but if you agree please pass along in whatever social media networks you frequent. And most of all, if the people who represent you oppose the regime of bullies for billionaires, call on them to simplify their language, say fewer things, and repeat them 'til they are sick of repeating them -- and then repeat them some more. Pass the toolkit onto them.

[FakeNoose]

37. I don't get why FBI agents were acting on ICE's orders?

The news stories say that the judge was arrested by agents from the FBI, not ICE.

[pat_k]

39. My understanding: the federal charge is obstructing an ICE arrest

...in a place that ICE should not be allowed to operate -- a place the 47 regime declared inbounds 1/21, hoping for precisely this type of event. The charge falls into the purview of the FBI.

The case is just another effort of the 47 regime to bully and grab power in service of itself and the billionaires that installed him. They seek to distract us with immoral immigration "enforcement" tactics while they pick our pockets with their MAGA Murder Budget (because people will die) and steal dollars the Federal Government owes to each state.

This is not a new horror and we must connect it to a consistent, repetitive, compelling narrative.

More here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220269309#post38

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. Congressman Raskin on Rachel on this arrest

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