Democrats should do a recount in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin

[Galraedia]

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:51 PM - Edit history (2)

The last time republicans did a recount they found more votes for Biden.

Trump percentage in these states is currently
Wisconsin = + 0.9%
Michigan = +1.4%
Pennsylvanian = + 1%

While the democratic senate race in these states are currently:
Wisconsin = + 0.9%
Michigan = + 0.4%
Pennsylvanian = - 0.4%

Trump himself claimed there was massive fraud in Pennsylvania, so lets humor him.

[Sneederbunk]

1. Meet me at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

[brush]

29. So you're saying we shouldn't check to make sure trump didn't win every swing state?

O-k-a-a-a-y, let's just move on.

[Zeitghost]

77. You get post of the day!

Well done.

[yourout]

2. I am never against recounts no matter who won. We should always audit and verify

Just good practice.

[mobeau69]

3. Isn't it time to get on it or do we roll over ala 2000?

[GoreWon2000]

83. Our country will never be the same because of it

It will always outrage me that not 1 U.S. Senate dem could bring themselves to so-sponsor the Congressional Black Caucus's cha;;enge to the fraudulent Florida vote count. As for the current election, it would depend on what the state election laws in those states are.

[Ocelot II]

4. In most states recounts aren't done automatically unless the difference is less than .5%.

Otherwise the candidate has to request one (and pay for it). In PA voters can request recounts (and pay for them) on a county by county basis. But Harris has conceded so there won't be a recount anyhow.

[Freethinker65]

5. Harris conceded.

[bif]

6. Not gonna happen.

Kamala lost by something like 10 million votes.

[Septua]

11. The red wave was delayed 2 years

If Trump isn't completely successful with a second coup, maybe we'll get a blue wave in '26.

[kimbutgar]

22. This was our last election

We had a bloodless coup and our democracy is over and the constitution is moot. The Supreme Court 6 gave him total immunity.

I hate being negative but project 2025 is now going to be a reality. No more free and fair elections. And the states that have Democratic governors will eventually be gotten rid of. The repukes and corporations have been waiting for this for 80 years and now they got their wish.

[Groundhawg]

26. Nonsense. There will be an election every 4 years.

[uponit7771]

32. What kind of election?

[Groundhawg]

35. A free and fair election Elmer.

[uponit7771]

48. What is an election Elmer? tia

[Groundhawg]

54. The event that happens every 4 years

[uponit7771]

74. What is the Elmer part? googled it,, can't find anything?

[Groundhawg]

75. you

[uponit7771]

78. Sounds like a DOX attempt

[angrychair]

47. Kidding yourself

There won't even be elections in two years. This was absolutely the last election. This is a dictatorship. He literally said so himself. **ump told a group of Christians that this would be the last election they would need to vote in. He also said he would be a dictator on day one.

I've already come to terms with this. I have no power to change it. This is the world we live in.

[EX500rider]

70. He says all kinds of crap, most which even he doesn't believe

[Septua]

37. There may not be a 2028 election.

But I'm thinking the mid-term might reverse things if Trump hasn't fulfilled his promises.

[totodeinhere]

45. There will be elections in some form.

There will be a midterm election in 2 years and presidential election in four. The only question is will those elections be fair. Remember that in most dictatorships elections happen but they are usually rigged. So the question is not will there be an election but will there be a fair election.

[bdamomma]

50. Oh

We will become Gilead. Those crazy religious extremists will get their wish.

Our ancestors and all those who fought our liberties and freedoms are rolling their graves. Horrible.

That effing Elon Musk Apartheid boy bringing that sick system to the US.

All the things Kamala said is ringing in my head. "It doesn't need to be like this", "
Are you ready to turn the page?' Codifying Roe, all gone,...............geez what's wrong with people????

[rainin]

53. I don't know why people are so slow to see this. Someone doesn't become dictator on day one and then concede power

Then, to think trump will be anything other than dictator is ludicrous. He may put on a show of having elections, but they'll be for show only. Anyone who thinks otherwise, really is living in a bubble. We are Putin's America now. Free elections are over. On January 6th, we become a dictatorship, full stop. No do overs.

[GoreWon2000]

84. Our last election was 2000

The Bush/Florida 2000 coup made Trump possible.

[global1]

27. It's Worth Doing If The Dems Pick Up A Senate Seat Or Two......nt

[standingtall]

42. She is currently trailing by just less then 4 million votes

and most of the remaining vote is from California so it's not anywhere close to 10 million. Let's not exaggerate.

[Galraedia]

62. No, she is currently behind by less than 5 million. California has only counted 55% of their votes so far.

There are around 9 million votes left to be counted in California.

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. Harris has conceded

There will be no recount.

[Septua]

8. Trump won.

So, it had to be free and fair.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Any evidence the vote tally wasn't accurate? Nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. Absofuckinglutely

Fucking idiots if we don't.

[Wiz Imp]

12. For those saying nothing can happen because Harris conceded.

You should know that concessions aren't binding. Concessions can and have been retracted. If people in the know think a recount might reveal something, a recount will happen (I wouldn't expect the paying for it to be an issue) It won't happen if those people conclude it will be fruitless.

I suspect that there are people trying to delve into the numbers as we speak to see if there is anything that might hint at something being not on the up-and-up. I expect that will take a while as well so I think we should let things play out, and if there is something to find, hope that it is eventually identified.

[FarPoint]

52. Thank you....

[demodonkey]

56. Concessions mean NOTHING

It's not up to the candidate at that point. The winner after the process plays out is the winner. A concession means NOTHING, it is not binding on anyone.

In PA they are still counting votes, even in red counties, as is happening all over the US. It ain't over til it's over. Will she win, probably not, but...

[bdamomma]

13. I wish

she hadn't conceded so quickly, so are votes still being counted in states?

[usaf-vet]

18. That is the stupid thing we keep doing, playing by the rules while our opponents laugh & stab us in the back repeatedly.

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. Yes. A concession is ceremonial and non-binding.

The counting continues until all ballots are counted regardless of what a candidate says.

[Wiz Imp]

61. Who cares when or even if she conceded? She could have conceded 2 months ago for all that it matters.

What matters is the counting of the votes. If Harris ended up with more votes in enough states for 270 EVs, she would be declared the winner even though she "conceded" Concessions mean NOTHING!

[Sunsky]

14. I totally agree with this nt

[lindysalsagal]

15. Sorry, but PA really is lousy with magats.

[dlk]

16. Why not?

There’s absolutely nothing to lose.

[iemanja]

19. Except hundreds of millions of dollars

and our integrity.

[dlk]

24. There's more than enough money out there

I don’t see how requesting a recount damages anyone’s integrity. It’s a legal ask.

[iemanja]

17. What good would that do without AZ and Nevada?

[LymphocyteLover]

20. I didn't think she had to have AZ

[iemanja]

21. She needs Nevada

and Trump is currently ahead by 3 points.

[iemanja]

66. Ok

They all aren’t going to flip. None of them are.

[Wiz Imp]

67. Nice changing of the goal posts there

Nobody said any of them were going to flip, just that they should be recounted. Then you asserted that Nevada would be needed too, which was false. You should quit while you're already behind and not dig your hole deeper.

[iemanja]

68. My overall point is a recount is useless

I admitted I was wrong about NV and AZ, but that's not good enough for you. You've somehow decided you can ban me from making follow up points. Well, I'll write as I please and what I please, without your permission.

Here's a real shocker: DU doesn't determine recounts, the party or the Harris campaign do. So by all means, have a recount in your fantasies. See where that gets you.

[Wiz Imp]

71. If your overall point is a recount is useless, then that's hat you should have said.

And no you did not admit you were wrong, you completely changed your original argument.

Here's an even bigger shocker - people around here are entitled to their own opinions and just because you think something is useless doesn't make it so.

It must be nice to know so much more than everyone else. I bow down to your superior knowledge. Have fun with Trump. Welcome to my ignore list.

[iemanja]

72. "ok"

What do you suppose that means?

Thank you for the ignore.

[LymphocyteLover]

69. yes, but it's all moot now, isn't it? (Absent some major new finding of fraud in WI, MI and PA)

[iemanja]

73. Absolutely

[58Sunliner]

23. Abso-fucking-lutely!!!!

[Linda ladeewolf]

25. When trump said he

Didn’t need their votes, he already knew that someone was going to cheat for him. There should be a full investigation of all swing states with Maga officials involved with counting votes or in operation of the voting machines. Remember “it’s not who votes, it’s who counts those votes.” Someone please remind me of who said that? Lenin, maybe Stalin?

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. I'm all in for demanding a recount - why are so many Dems sooo polite and AFRAID to ruffle some F'en feathers?

You don't bring cookies to a street fight - just doesn't work.

[MichMan]

80. You don't just "demand" a recount, you have to pay for one.

I recall in 2016, when people here donated to Jill Stein, so she could pursue it.

Maybe we can funnel enough money to her again.

[AkFemDem]

30. Pretty sure this is not a shocker to the powers that be

Their internal polls must have shown this was the likely outcome. No one seems as shocked and devastated as Clinton and her campaign did in '16, it's like they'd already processed the numbers and had an expected negative outcome. They're likely not auditing because this lines up.

[jaxexpat]

34. And it "lines up" despite the root causes being undeterminable. Like in 2016, except maybe a little slicker.

[William769]

31. Sorry I am not going to live through another 2000, nope, not going to do it.

My energy is going to be spent on what I need to do with like minded people about this clusterfuck we are now going to be in.

[Initech]

38. I'd rather strategize and reorganize.

You don't lose the World Series and then demand that the final inning be replayed.

Nope. You pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get back to find out what needs to be done to ensure victory the next time.

[FarPoint]

40. I sense there was foreign interference.....

That is an assault on America.

[Initech]

43. No question.

How do we combat that though? We've got to do something. Fuckhead and His Conspiracy Theorists (great band name) are going to destroy this country.

[FarPoint]

46. My hopes lay with support from foreign allies/ intelligence..

from say France, England etc.... Europe is also going to suffer under this election attack on our democracy....I don't know or have knowledge as to what they can do between now and January or even by December 11th when all the states turn in the tally... but something needs to happen /

[Initech]

49. The problem is that America First bullshit used by people like Marjorie Shit For Brains.

MAGA only cares about two things - 1 - themselves. 2 - making us as miserable as possible.

They couldn't give less of a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks about their increasingly boorish behavior. And now that Fuckface is back in power, they're going to become emboldened. It's going to get ugly. Especially when the J6 prisoners get released.

[GoreWon2000]

85. Another election stealing SCOTUS is in place

to steal more elections like the Rehnquist 5 did in 2000.

[jaxexpat]

33. Yeah, even Al Gore had the savvy to know that.

[GoreWon2000]

81. It would depend on state law

Having spent 15 of my 24 years of working on dem election campaigns in Florida, Florida election law allowed for the vote challenges that the Gore campaign filed in 2000 because of how close the vote was. The vote margin difference was less than 0.5 % that triggered the mandatory recount and it was also less than the number of votes still needing to be counted. Not all of Florida's counties did the mandatory recount. It was Harris's job to make them do so and she refused to do her job. Several hundred thousand Florida votes were never counted and now sit uncounted in the Florida archives. I don't know what the law is for Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

[GoreWon2000]

91. It was 5 anti democracy repug SCOTUS judges who stopped the legal Florida 2000 vote count

after the Florida Supreme court ruled to count the uncounted votes in order to install W. Our country will never be the same because of it.

[FarPoint]

39. YES!

YES, YES and definately YES

[2do]

41. New member ...

Long time lurker (have patience with me). Has no one wondered why everything changed the minute Musk appeared? Trump cut back on his appearances and became more obnoxious. Would the richest man in the world be jumping around on stage if he wasn’t sure Trump would win? All he had to do was manipulate a couple battleground states’ votes, and he had years to do it!

[Initech]

44. Trump dominated my feeds 24/7 since June.

Never heard one peep about Kamala. Not a single one. Musk is a chaos agent. The fact that he has ties to Putin and is going to be a member of Fuckface's cabinet should absolutely be investigated. Him flipping Twitter was a total hit job, and it worked, despite him losing billions.

[Zeitghost]

51. And when that results in the same outcome

We can file a bunch of lawsuits.

Where have I seen that playbook before...

[FBaggins]

87. Well that's simple enough. We have the script

"All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 150,000 votes, which is one more than we have... There's nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you've recalculated."

[33taw]

55. WI is automatic at less than 1%

[Ysabel]

64. I think but am not entirely certain that first someone has to ask for it...

then at less than one percent the state is supposed to pay for it...

[33taw]

65. That may be correct

[Rhiagel]

57. I'd be curious to know how many total votes are really still outstanding.

In 2020, Biden received over 81 million votes and Trump got 74+ million votes.

Today, Trump has 72ish million votes and Kamala has only 68ish million votes.

That's about 15 million votes less recorded than 2020. Will we still see that many votes added to the tally? Did all those Biden voters stay home and not vote? Were millions of Democratic votes 86-ed for ticky-tack reasons, i.e., no ballot secrecy sleeve.

The nation-wide stupidity just doesn't make sense.

From Newsweek, "The outstanding votes in the remaining states make it unlikely for Harris to overtake Trump in the popular vote even if she were to win all of the remaining votes." This implies there are less than 5 million votes left to count. If so, then 10 million LESS votes were counted than in 2020. Did 10 million Americans just not vote this time around? Really?

[valleyrogue]

58. It wouldn't hurt to do it. Trump should welcome it. n/t

[FBaggins]

88. We didn't win all down the state ballot

We won the races that were tainted by their nutty gubernatorial candidate (Gov/Lt. Gov/AG/SoS)... but lost the other statewide elections (auditor, the three commissioners Ag/Ins/Labor, and all four statewide judicial races) - and they were quite close to Trump's numbers in most cases. But Robinson was toxic

[TheKentuckian]

79. There is at least a touch of the MAGA fuckwits protesting and calling a conspiracy

on their own officials in Georgia and Arizona because they just couldn't face facts.

There is less than no reason to think Shapiro, Whitmer, Evers and their cabinets fucked us or turned a blind eye to us being fucked.

The reality is lazy and/or narcissistic fuckwits didn't vote because of whatever bullshit they tell themselves for flushing the country down the toilet for their individual "virtue" or wharever dumbass snit and an even more twisted and weapons grade stupid sliver flipped to Chump.

Baselining the Covid election with an active and acute case of Trumpitis is fanciful thinking too.

There are lot of shitty and player character minded fools, accept it.

[bluestarone]

82. 100% Agree! Maybe settle things down some.

Help us all to believe election was on the up and up. Plus if something IS found we could look deeper into things?

[FBaggins]

86. Trump is ahead in PA by slightly over 2%

[Meowmee]

90. Yes agree

All provisional and mail ins especially need to scrutinized.